Bifilar pancake coil overunity experiment

[ayeaye]

Good post and we need more of this kind of intelligent debate in my opinion. To follow the method of science in our conversations. As if to say here is my explanation or perspective of how I see things and here is my justification for it.

Thank you Onepower!

[ayeaye]

I could go on like this for a while yet, just as you go on and on about your programming. But what's the point? If you want to see some high COP measurements from a bifilar coil setup, look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzbc-N-e9c

Now i come back to this, no i didn't forget. I went on and on with programming yes, but finally i think i wrote a good script. Useful for some, as not all have so good oscilloscope as you have, that is capable of doing these calculations. But more importantly it appeared that it was important to explain things, how many times i had to say that instantaneous power is P = V * I. And that the actual input or output power we can calculate by adding all positive or negative instantaneous powers during a cycle, multiplying it by a time period, and then multiplying that by the frequency. Like you asked where the input and output of the circuit is, we don't need the input and output in the circuit to calculate input and output power, the average positive instantaneous power is the input, and the average negative instantaneous power is the output. And that this then is the same as measuring the amplitudes of the voltage, current and phase angle between them, and calculating from these, in case if both signals are sines. And that input and output powers can be measured separately on the coil, or some other part of the circuit. Ok, that's about that.

Excellently done experiment, TinselKoala! The correct way to calculate average power is to calculate the average of the instantaneous powers, considering both positive and negative values. So that when the positive and negative parts of the trace are equal, then the result is zero. I assume that your oscilloscope does it in that way, that you got a similar result by calculating from amplitudes and a phase angle between them, confirms that. The average power calculated by oscilloscope is correct in that case though, as the signals are not exactly sines.

Assuming that all was correctly done, which looks like that it was, this is a significant result, with overunity 2.9 times. Good work TinselKoala and Partzman! I also agree with Partzman that the other path through the air is insignificant, and can be disregarded. I also think that when the oscilloscope and its probes were well calibrated, then its measurements can be relied on.

One terminal of the input winding of the bifilar coil is not connected, thus with the second winding it forms like a capacitor. In this circuit too i think part of the induction goes to charge the capacitance, and this is where i think the overunity comes from as i said. This may mean generating more current than provided by the Faraday's law, that goes to charge the capacitance, and is not entirely affected by the Lenz effect, as not all that current goes through all the coil. I think that this experiment confirms that. To see that this is what happens, the voltages on the coils and the currents through them may have to be measured, to see whether the induced current, including that necessary for charging the capacitance, is indeed greater than the current provided by the Faraday's law.

Below is the Partzman's circuit that TinselKoala used in his experiment, that i took from the TinselKoala's video, i assume that i can provide a screenshot of it here, TinselKoala please say if you have any objections.

Now just continue from that!

[F6FLT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzbc-N-e9c

It was the video that triggered my coming here, because I had noticed that Tinselkoala is a reliable experimenter.
There is an intriguing comment from him on the investigation of the COP, he seems to suspect a measurement issue:
"I just haven't yet posted the video of that further investigation yet. Hint: How would you test to see if the PBT itself is actually causing the OU readings?"

[ayeaye]

What is PBT, Polybutylene terephthalate? Very unlikely, or i don't know what he meant.

[ramset]

PBT//Partzmans Bifilar transformer
F6FLT ...I understand the frustration from The author of the Video , he tries to explain to persons herethat even measurements must be scrutinized to the finest degree [his hidden message in this vid] ,soooo many times there is a surprise at the end of the scrutiny
and here in this forum persons who dare to measure get threats and attacks ,..that is why you don't see them here too much ,and you do see persons flaunting failures as fact ?
I am not versed in the error which manifest to produce this particular measurement error.and I must also add Partzman still works with Smudge and others to find all these errors//...after all it is the only way to advance and not be fooled [the Feynman tag at the bottom of the Tinsels posts.//
Brutal honesty is the only way forward ,if the scientific method is abandoned ....there is no way to Progress ,this just becomes a place for secret book writers ,fraudsters and scammers

I will ask Partzman to explain this error [to be sure I have this correct ]but he may not answer here as certain persons are attacking the scientific method here at this time.[not referencing any members here in this thread]

..if he does not respond personally ,I will be sure to post the reply.
respectfully..Chet//
Ps to add // I see these errors as sharpening the spear [and so does the Partzman]the hunt will never stop