Finsrud perpetual motion machine

[Gumboots2u]

 Dingus heres one of my origninal posts short context.

" A few years ago the gentleman who did the write up and pictures on Don Adsitts site was here in Ontario.
   He was here to see David Hamiel  and I was very fortunate that he also took some time and stayed with us . His visit to
Reidar's place was one of the topics we covered.   Johns conversation with Reidar highlighted the fact that the machine ran more
on probablility than on energy{ sort of  like Douglas Adams probability drive } , which translated lightly means that the chance of it
coming to rest relied on the probability that everthing synchroniised to slow it down. It operated more on instability than a source
  of energy.   I'll be starting with the chaos penduluum  first, then branching out. It may not look like his machine when it is done
because my focus is on the chaos, and further if it does end up looking like his machine then it will be because the principle led
me in that direction."


   The probability is the part that Reidar emphasized when speaking with John Paisley. It is an easily missed
concept because physics trys not to emphasize chaos,,, focussing more on finding order. See where this
leads you. I doubt static electricity would move the ball, and yes I have worked on static electricity motors.
  You can't have any friction as well as watching out for moisture and grounding. Seeing as all of his machine
   is grounded to itself then not much chance of static working.
 

[hartiberlin]

Here is a nice toy, that you can use to study the Finsrud device.

The placed magnets at the bottom are placed this way, that
the pendulum almost never comes to a stop.

Try it yourself, maybe you will find a setup, so the,
pendulum never stops:


Finsrud Pendulum toy, click here

[allcanadian]

I was looking at the finsrud website and it's interesting that he uses pendulums, levers, magnets and an oscillating ramp, and everyone seems to dismiss one part or another as unimportant. What if there not? I think he's using a cascade type reaction- as finsrud say's -in order for the machine to stop all of the systems must align. That is the pendulum, the ramp and the magnet system must all be at one point for the system to stop- Why not analyse a system based on what would make it stop rather than what makes it go? I see a huge difference in this perspective, only because no one seems to consider it.
Here's a thought- if each system (pendulum,ramp,magnet)would get stuck once every 10 cycles, but there are three systems out of phase then the odds of of stopping go way down. The only determining factor is do you generate enough energy to reset the system when it sticks?.

[dean_mcgowan]

I am all with you on that mark AC .. equilibrium is our enemy.

[Dingus Mungus]

I would say a cylinder magnet above a metal ball rolling on a non restrictive track would stop the machine over time since it would clearly rob the ball of velocity or simply pick it up right off the track. Please test this if you have the means to replicate or if anyone could suggest what kind of magnet it is and the radius of the ball I will buy parts and test it. I would also assume that the arms that attach the penulum and horse shoe magnet to the lever extended through the track would also slow the ball as the pendulum lost energy to gravity. The ball would then have to supply energy to the pendulums to keep them swinging. The horse shoe magnet if in proximity to the ball would attract it and pull the ball over the arm that moves the magnet and pendulum, but its not just moving the magnet its pulling it away from a object its attracted to thus nulling any momentum it added to the ball by adding resistance to the assisting arm. Basicly each component would seem to be a loss. This is why I find this device so interesting. If its not static propultion than I can oly assume the track has a tiny ammount of give and the pendulums keep a cycle that causes the track to have a rotating low point determined by the location of the ball. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

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