What's a magnet/ gravity motor worth to you?? New way of thought.

[magnetman12003]

I have questions about open sourcing information.  First thing is that once any information is open sourced can anyone still able to patent your open source designs?  How does the patent office recognize open sourced information?  I am aware that China does not recognize any patents and will make and sell for a lot less than items bought elsewhere.

[ramset]

Vince..
You blew up the page with that humongous image..please resize before the forum times out and you can't .

magnetman..
I am sure there are ways to do this , but the patent trap most definitely works against open sourcing.
we have time until your February release to sort that part out.
Stefan could most definitely arrange for a trusted member to witness the device almost anywhere on the planet for
validation [at no fee].and then there could be More Angel donations to your project ?

Chet

[lancaIV]

#16, #20 :
        a nominal 1000 W 1000 RPM generator generates by 100 RPM : 1000 W x 0,1 x 0,1 x 0,1 =
                                                                          1 W power !

                                       10%  from RPM-nominal but only 0,1% from P-nominal ! ( and up to 98% EFF.)

More detailed info about power calculation :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=2012256422A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20121011&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
[ 0016] generator and motor +  power calculation modus and formula [0091] [ 0092] [ 0093] [ 0094]

These only as information to not overestimate mecano-cinetical "rotative devices" and their torque

http://www.imsolution.com.au/fluxgraphs-entry.html  free software available



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     China,now the same industrial evolution in Vietnam and Cambodia ...... :
as WTO-members they have to accept no= open source/ patent law rights/- obligations !
But this is written theory ! As for all other not named countries, included G20/G7 !

"Open source" can ever become the source for new patents
when these devices can become technical optimized !
Making the basic structure simpler, with new materials,the design, the efficiency et cet. !                                                 Utility model, technical application = "Patent"

Probably your idea is existent and to find in the WIPO-/ espacenet- archive , " soon invented by others" !
                                 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP
                                       Title : for example : magnetic rotative device,  magnet motor,  magnet generator         

                                         X fold title-subject determination in different variants to find

Good luck !
Sincerely
OCWL

p. s. : the magnetic motor drawbacks are like here.
  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=62&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920423&CC=DE&NR=4033061A1&KC=A1# 

                                                                    fixed rotationNormally in too high or too low rotation range : gear/ transmission need or low RPM< 200 , these are in the 500€/KW price level

[magnetman12003]

To sum it up folks you have a large drum A and a smaller drum B inside it.
A center axle goes through both Large drum A  and smaller drum B without touching drum B because it has no CENTER SIDES.  Just the outer circumference sides or ring like appearance. Drum A has center sides and is enclosed with a removable cover.  Like a wood pot with a lid and center axle through it.


Drum B is very important as it has many equaly spaced apart rod magnets on its ""INSIDES.""
One same polarity on one side and the other polarity on the other side
This drum B setup floats around inside drum A.
Because the sides of Drum B will always present magnets very close to drum As outer circumference any ""EXTERNAL""rod or rod repelling makeup of magnets brought close to A will push the B drum setup to the opposite side of the center axle in Drum A.

This causes an unbalanced condition and B drum will turn forcing A drum with it if there is good friction between them.  Silicon tape wound around drum B  ""OUTSIDES ""works well to provide that friction.


So now you have the whole story as to how to make  the motor and I will bet I don't will make a dime out of posting all this as open source information.  Any angels out there?

[ramset]

Well I still think you should contact Stefan and set up a demonstration of your Device .I can try to reach him tomorrow if you like ?
I believe the community will make sure you get rewarded and credit for the device if it truly works as you say.
Chet