Power from repelling magnets

[norman6538]

Ayeaye mentioned the long distance and that is exactly what I have found to be the biggest reason for efficiency less than 200%-300% because distance is a factor of the work out equation. While offline I made a list of my attempts and why they failed and distance was most frequent.

My wife had a long and successful surgery but I'm still dizzy and have to go to bed for several hours to get going some days but through all of this I have never fallen and some parts of the day are functional enough to get something small done like move the grass.

I have plans to resume my work any day unless we are able to travel for Thanksgiving for 6 days with family. I will use a variable lever/compensator to balance/compensate for the non linear attraction of the metal to repelling magnets to also compensate for the longer distance that the metal has to travel like Floor's machine.

I have felt for some time that a combination of the right things will made OU happen. The Finsrud device is an example of that with the ball and magnet and pendulum and gravity pushing the magnet down and kicking the pendulum.

I drool when I see Floor's precision device.

Peace to all. Life is not the same after you have been through serious medical trials.

Norman

[ayeaye]

your perception of the lines of force are incomplete.
I believe they expand in all directions, infinitely.
and it goes in all directions, not N S.

Yes sure they do. But there are less field lines where the field is less, and iron filings also show that, they gather more to the areas where is more force. And field lines show the direction of the force in any particular area.

Welcome back Norman, good to hear that your wife's surgery was successful.

[sm0ky2]

I believe the "lines" you perceive are a result of the iron.
Finer particles will show "more lines", though the proportionate
distribution will be maintained.
It is a factor of the field strength and the permeabilityxmass of the particles


It gives us a visual representation of the field shape and strength
But the lines are arbitrary, and don't really exist in the space as we "see" them.


Personally, I use a laminated "viewer".
That gives more of a 3-d image of what the field is.


[magnetite taken from sand, ground in a mortar & pestal, mixed with lightweight
  mineral oil and placed between laminate sheets, color can be added]




I think I understand what you are looking for, though your attempts to measure it
seem futile.


any given magnet will "pull" stronger than it repels. Though for it to repel or pull it needs
a counterpart, so measuring that is just as futile.


When you look for asymmetrical field "lines",
Pay more attention to the boundaries, or the outer extremity of the "effective" field.


^^ is correct in that the field continues into infinity.
However, there is a distance where that doesn't matter to us big humans.
That's the edges of the field, as we are concerned with moving anything with it.


The number of lines in-between is just your imagination, it's the number of lines
the field is able to make out of your iron, that is all.


Smaller iron it can make more "lines", bigger iron, less

[ayeaye]

I think I understand what you are looking for, though your attempts to measure it
seem futile.

Certainly not, it is perfectly measurable.

My spring scales have not arrived yet. Sure spring scales are not very precise, but i would try, maybe i can somehow measure.

[ayeaye]

I was not very sure whether the force when shifting the shield magnet in the Citfta's experiment was only friction, and thus whether there was overunity when disregarding friction.

Why, because first i'm not really sure what happened there. I don't think that one field shields another, field may change its shape, ok but. As i couldn't see what was the force when shifting the field magnet towards the fixed magnet, so whether there was a difference of force when moving the shield magnet in and moving it out.

Which means that i cannot exclude the possibility that the difference between positive and negative forces was just because of an ordinary shielding. In case of an ordinary shield, maybe twice as much force is necessary when moving shield out, because it is moved next to one magnet, but it is moved out from between two magnets. Also the left magnet attracted to the shield magnet, this also indicates that perhaps partly the shield magnet worked as an ordinary shield. When the effect was because of an ordinary shield, it was not overunity even when disregarding friction.

Sorry, not conclusive there, a better measurement may help to show what was the case. And when the middle magnet really acted as a shield magnet, then i were very interested what the shape of the fields were, and how such shielding really happened.