Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board

[stivep]

Realy? not with an ordinary Tesla coil! I have seen Londetudinal wave experiments, it can assure you it can penetrate a steel box no faraday cage is of any use! and you can bank on that one.
Dave

original  Wesley's statement   : electromagnetic longitudinal wave simply can not exist.
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Dave  you have  rights  to express  your opinion.
I think that  Dave manifests  problem with  basic fundamental  knowledge  about physics of electromagnetic wave.
Here  in this part of forum we ask  you  Dave for link/support/prove/or evidence of your statement if there  is any.
When accepted and known laws of physics  and its models are questioned by anyone it is  nothing wrong with challenging such individuals.
We want the space of this forum to be  condensed to   maximum with  valuable and useful  data.
Wesley   

[poynt99]

Luc,

Is the conventional explanation that far fetched?

Tesla performed one-wire transmission of power via patent 593,138, and there is the occasional application in modern times as well using high voltage and earth as a return.

The Tesla method above involves using real earth grounding at each end, and yours does not, but high voltage and/or high frequency currents can find their way to earth ground one way or the other. The TX and RX sites can be many kms apart because the earth is one large ground plane.

I don't know if your TC's would operate properly if the terminal caps were earth grounded to their own separate ground points, but it would be interesting to see if that worked and also increased the efficiency of energy transfer.

Regarding the question of lifting the entire experiment away from the earth to prove or disprove the earth return theory, I would say would be difficult to achieve. I envision two helicopters, each suspending a TC about 1000 feet off the ground, separated by 1000 feet.

One thing to consider; why does your experiment require high voltage, and/or high frequency to work? High voltage is easy to imagine, because it can involve the ionization of air molecules to create a conductive path, but what about high frequency? If energy is not being radiated via E-M waves, then might there be another mechanism involved that is creating a return path? If the above helicopter experiment still worked, then I might be inclined to think so. For example, could air behave like a RCL transmission line at high enough frequencies?

Another thing to consider; if a longitudinal wave is being transmitted and received, why is one wire between the two sites required?

[DavidWolff]

Wesley thanks for the invitation to reply. Personly I think it's down to Wesley to prove Logdetudinal waves don't exist perhaps on his other
thread, the old scientist had an excellent video with two biscuit tins one inside the other and transistor
Radio blaring away inside them, and the other experiment is incinerating paperwork in a sealed metal case, it worked perfectly.
Didn't the Lituwainian experiment use this phenomenon in its design? find that and you have your proof meanwhile have a look at this 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjz-5Lqtxow   < please watch this video

https://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html

kind regards Dave

PS At uni we were always taught to ask when we can't get our heads around a problem, please explain.

[stivep]

Answer provided to:DavidWolff
answers are for and against scalar wave:
Quote#1

A scalar wave is a purported type of electromagnetic wave that works outside physics as we know it.
The central conceit is that scalar waves restore certain useful aspects of Maxwell's equations "discarded"
in the 19 th century by those fools Heaviside, Hertz and Gibbs.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=scalar+waves+wikipedia&qs=SC&pq=scalar+wave+ikip%5bedia&sc=1-21&cvid=AC5BD92DBB2A417D8ADDF63E579A12F1&FORM=QBRE&sp=1
Quote#2
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/scalar-waves-is-this-a-complete-fabrication.238709/

Wikipedia.org labels Scalar Wave theory as pseudoscience. 
You need to provide some credible references (preferably in refereed professional journals),
or this thread will be deleted.  We do not permit crackpot theories here on the PF.

Quote#3

however, later physicists assumed these equations were meaningless, since scalar waves had not been empirically observed and repeatedly
verified among the scientific community at large.

https://www.iawaketechnologies.com/faq/scalar-waves/

Quote#4

The theory is considered pseudoscience (nonsense) yet is widely promoted among reseachers looking for 'free energy' or 'over unity'

https://www.rmcybernetics.com/science/physics/electromagnetism/scalar-waves

Didn't the Lituwainian experiment use this phenomenon in its design?

No  it didn't. We were expecting NMR phenomena due to strong vibration of special ferrite from old Russian TV Rubin
That sound was also present in some versions of Akula and Ruslan devices.
In some   of the samples tested  the Yoke ferrite  cracked
I don't see as of today any  prove  of existence of scalar  waves
If you can  not  provide scientifically   existing prove  please just don't force the subject of  scalar wave
Wesley

[d3x0r]

Re Goubau line

"A Goubau line or Sommerfeld-Goubau line,[1] or G-line for short, is a single wire transmission line used to conduct radio waves at UHF and microwave frequencies."

"Ultra high frequency (UHF) is the ITU designation for radio frequencies in the range between 300 megahertz (MHz) and 3 gigahertz (GHz),"

I don't think 1Mhz is anywhere near either of that.

Why does an AC circuit NEED a completed path?  Why can't you just drive a current between two capacitive masses across a coil?

C - L - C
    L  - some other coil to induce the current...

The electron cloud in a wire IS slightly elastic... or you couldn't send pulses of a higher frequency than the length of the wire.  It is not in-compressable.