Wireless energy transfer experiments ,Builders board

[Jimboot]

Hi Jim,
I'm very limited when it comes to electronics,but don't you need 4 diodes to make a bridge rectifier?
artv

For a full wave rectifier yes, However the selenium rectifier on the power supply I am testing is only 1/2 rectified and produces better results on my coils for less power than DC, I'm trying to understand why. 1/2 rectified with a power diode does not produce the same results.

[groot]

Hello

Experiment Experiment.
Instead of wire connecting two tesla coils -- Distilled Water.
So i cut a 5 feet of plastic pipe in half so it formed a vessel. Filled it with distilled water and  using alligator clip connected end of coil and water .
Coils are tuned so when connected with wire you can see lit light bulb on receiving side. Power Level low so no transmission without a connection.
In my opinion this could be interesting if one can make a power transmission. Measured over 20M Ohm of resistance. Is it possible to match impedance or surface wave transmission is the only option??

Thank You   
P.S.
So far I did not succeed 

[onepower]

Groot

In my opinion this could be interesting if one can make a power transmission. Measured over 20M Ohm of resistance. Is it possible to match impedance or surface wave transmission is the only option??

The laws which govern the action are pretty straightforward. If the induced charges/potential repel each other and they do then they must travel on the surface of the conductor and not inside it. Also, Power=(V x I), so the power transmitted relates to the electrical pressure times the number of charges moving due to the applied electrical pressure. Therefore in order to increase the real power across an "insulator" the potential must rise to a level sufficient to conduct.

What many find hard to fathom is that Tesla was generating ten's of millions of volts potential in a very small time frame which made every insulator conduct. So when the experimenter only generates maybe 500kV in the milliamp range in there Tesla coil and little happens they think it cannot work. Think of it like this... consider the minor effects your setup produces then consider what happens in a lightning strike. Imagine what would happen if you could produce an 8 foot lightning bolt in your garage?, lol. Now were into Tesla's realm and not only would it smoke all electronics within hundreds of feet but your vehicle would probably start on fire.

From what I can see the first problem is an electronic driver for your primary which is grossly under powered. As Tesla said the goal is to charge a capacitor to the highest possible voltage and discharge it violently through the primary in the smallest time frame with no alternations or reversal. In effect, your trying to tap the primary with a spoon producing AC oscillations where Tesla smashed it with a 20 kg sledge hammer in a single blow with no oscillations.

It is no easy thing but I can tell you from experience that when you do get it right all hell breaks loose. Quite literally everything becomes a conductor in ways few would expect. Now one could ask, if we could create an environment in which "all energy" was now free to move how many different kinds of energy are present which could move?. I believe Tesla implied he was not generating energy per se but producing a conduit for external energy to flow through.

Here is the procedure, we input X energy to create an energy conduit which allows Y external energy to flow through it. Then we capture X and Y energy recycling X back to the input leaving Y energy for our use. It's like putting up a sail on a boat and capturing the wind energy, we did not create the wind nor the energy from it we just created a mechanism to harness the wind energy already present.

Regards

[groot]

The laws which govern the action are pretty straightforward. If the induced charges/potential repel each other and they do then they must travel on the surface of the conductor and not inside it. Also, Power=(V x I), so the power transmitted relates to the electrical pressure times the number of charges moving due to the applied electrical pressure. Therefore in order to increase the real power across an "insulator" the potential must rise to a level sufficient to conduct.

onepower I do realize I know small fraction of what Tesla was doing.  High power + high voltage sure can make magic.
Allow me to quote Tesla :
As regards the rise of potential through resonant action, of course, theoretically, it may amount to anything since it depends on self-induction and resistance and since these may have any value.  But in practice one is limited in the selection of these values and besides these, there are other limiting causes.  One may start with, say, 1,000 volts and raise the E. M. F. to 50 times that value, but one cannot start with 100,000 and raise it to ten times that value because of the losses in the media which are great, especially if the frequency is high.  It should be possible to start with, for instance, two volts from a high or low frequency circuit of a dynamo and raise the E. M. F. to many hundred times that value.  Thus coils of the proper dimensions might be connected each with only one of its ends to the mains from a machine of low E. M. F., and though the circuit of the machine would not be closed in the ordinary acceptance of the term, yet the machine might be burned out if a proper resonance effect would be obtained.

http://www.tuks.nl/Mirror/frankgermano_net/nikolatesla2.htm

What many find hard to fathom is that Tesla was generating ten's of millions of volts potential in a very small time frame which made every insulator conduct. So when the experimenter only generates maybe 500kV in the milliamp range in there Tesla coil and little happens they think it cannot work. Think of it like this... consider the minor effects your setup produces then consider what happens in a lightning strike. Imagine what would happen if you could produce an 8 foot lightning bolt in your garage?, lol. Now were into Tesla's realm and not only would it smoke all electronics within hundreds of feet but your vehicle would probably start on fire.

My problem with use of high power spark gap tesla coil is  interference. State I live in prohibits use of such transmitters by law.
It might be very entertaining to recreate "The Philadelphia Project" but I am certain that it would lead me to jail sentence 

Wireless power transfer concept presented by Wesley has been researched, tested and finally granted patent  by US Patent Office.
If  for some reason my posts make impression Im trying to build or copy perpetual motion device aka free energy device than Im sorry for confusing the readers. This Is not a free energy device.

Dr Corum in his patent experimentally proved a concept of wireless energy transmission over an interface. You can find him doing this with 15volts peak to peak alternating current. Other calculations provided in the patent are: 100khz, 8meter high terminal, 5kv charge at top load  - "The guided field strength curve falls off at between 4000 - 7000 Kilometers"

Most likely its pretty expensive to construct such a device and that's how I came up with my Experiment.
Instead of dealing with Earth as lossy medium that changes its parameters use water.  Seneca lake experiment
Than make it even easier and have a raised (suspended) container with water in it. Tesla coils are used only to show lack of conductivity in old fashioned manner.  No need to deal with ground plane image theory.  I might be mistaken. This is why I posted it. Im looking for suggestions and wonder if there is any interest  in surface wave experiments. If none let me know and ill stop littering this forum.

Thx

[onepower]

groot

Dr Corum in his patent experimentally proved a concept of wireless energy transmission over an interface. You can find him doing this with 15volts peak to peak alternating current. Other calculations provided in the patent are: 100khz, 8meter high terminal, 5kv charge at top load  - "The guided field strength curve falls off at between 4000 - 7000 Kilometers"

Fair enough, the patent information is interesting though because as we all know a 100khz, 8m high, 5kv Tesla coil cannot transmit 4000 km. More like 1m distance in good conditions for those of us who have built and tested them in the past. I think it's kind of neat because the patents never tell the full story and we have to connect the dots for ourselves. What I can tell you is I have built many systems similar to yours and not in a million years will it even transmit power across the street. It simply does not have the capacity nor the required qualities to do this.

Therefore... it must be something else, something missing as I explained. People need to get past this notion of EM waves travelling through the atmosphere in order to make any progress in my opinion.

Regards