All Permanent Magnet Motor

[magnetman12003]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the video, it shows the source of the input energy that causes rotation:

it is the lead weight (lead sinker) tilting movement from a near vertical position towards the near 45 degree position.

And indeed the 6 inch long bolt would exert a pushing force onto the rotatable platform and indeed this force can mainly
come from gravity and from your hand supporting (but not holding!) the bolt with the lead weights on it. 

Your earlier explanation is also ok: 

https://overunity.com/18444/all-permanent-magnet-motor/msg545853/#msg545853

"Think of that in simple terms.  You are stranding (standing) on a carpet with a slick oil spot under it. As long as you stand
strait up you won't move.  The second your weight shifts at a angle the carpet will slide out from under you. 
My setup is made that simple."   

To make your weight shift you need to make a sudden movement with your body: this is the input energy in this example.

So the moment the bolt with the weights on it gets into the 45 degree resting position, after tilting from its near vertical position,
the initial rotation of the rotor will slowly stop (friction depending). 

Notice that if you tether the bolt (to a support also on the rotor) by a piece of thread to let it rest in the 45 degree position,
after that the bolt was let tilt from its original vertical position, the pushing force on the rotor can only be smaller than in case
you support the tilting by your hand.  This is because your hand is a support independent from the rotor
while a tether support mounted onto the rotor is not independent but tied to it. 

I attached two shots from your video, one with the near vertical bolt and the other shows the mostly gravity tilted bolt starts moving the rotor. 
So your setup will not spin if you mount the bolts in immediately in the 45 degree position and do not let them suddenly tilt
by gravity.  But even if you let the bolts tilt first to start rotation, the rotor will stop because the bolts will then remain in resting
at the 45 degree position.
Understand? 

Gyula

I was holding the camera for that video by myself.  I found out that once the disk spinning action starts it does not quit by holding the bolt in at an angle.  The disk keeps turning so long as the bolt pressure is on the magnet. You have to try it for yourself to see what I am talking about. 

[conradelektro]

Tom, what happened to your tumblers or cups? I am sleepless since weeks waiting for a video with the tumblers and everything in place. And hopefully all turning without fingers in the way. The big magnet ring is gone, but no tumblers?

I almost killed myself with the carpet experiment. Leaning backwards till the carpet slid away and me being in the air for a short time. The landing was not so nice. I should have used a huge tumbler to hold on to.

Greetings, Conrad

[magnetman12003]

Tom, what happened to your tumblers or cups? I am sleepless since weeks waiting for a video with the tumblers and everything in place. And hopefully all turning without fingers in the way. The big magnet ring is gone, but no tumblers?

I almost killed myself with the carpet experiment. Leaning backwards till the carpet slid away and me being in the air for a short time. The landing was not so nice. I should have used a huge tumbler to hold on to.

Greetings, Conrad

I don't go out to buy anything but food anymore because of the virus.  All my stuff is ordered now and sent by mail to me.  Good luck ordering anything from China now.    You will find that the steel bolt with a weight on it applies pressure to the 45/degree magnet and that is  what causes the setup to spin as long as the bolt is applying the pressure.   To make it finger free I decided to use a tumbler and angle the bolt inside it.  Use the lip of the tumbler to rest the top of the bolt on. Also allow the bottom of the bolt to touch the 45 degree magnet which it's attracted to anyhow for pressure.


If done with enough weight on the bolt the disc will keep spinning.   Why should it stop???
I already tried this using my hands without making a video and found I had to Hand chase the bolt around and around.


I finally got my tumblers in so in a short time I will see what happens.


Tom

[gyulasun]

I was holding the camera for that video by myself.  I found out that once the disk spinning action starts 
it does not quit by holding the bolt in at an angle.  The disk keeps turning so long as the bolt pressure is 
on the magnet. You have to try it for yourself to see what I am talking about.

Hi Tom,
All I can say is that I keep my fingers crossed your received tumblers would maintain the desired continuous rotation... 

Please, if you make another video, include the start-up of the rotor from a stand still position as you place
the bolts one by one into the tumblers. 

Gyula

[magnetman12003]

Hi Tom,
All I can say is that I keep my fingers crossed your received tumblers would maintain the desired continuous rotation... 

Please, if you make another video, include the start-up of the rotor from a stand still position as you place
the bolts one by one into the tumblers. 

Gyula

I plan to do just as you say. The bolt angle has to be at 45 degrees or close to it as I am finding out.
Also the threaded bolt MUST touch the 45 degree mounted magnet and have the weight of the bolt on it to insure setup spin. I will have to notch out my tumblers bottoms  to allow the touch to happen.
It also looks like i might have to drill a hole in the side of the tumbler so I can set the bolt angle at or near 45 degrees.  Will let everyone know when finished.
Tom