All Permanent Magnet Motor

[synchro1]

@Tom,

Your schematic is fine, but you uploaded a masked video. Can you supply us with an undoctored version of it working?

[magnetman12003]

I plan within two weeks to show that video probably on the U Tube
On a table with transparent top or cement floor so no one can say there is something under it causing it to spin. And a side cover to show there is no compressed air stream blowing it around.
Also I plan to slow the speed down so one can see a definite rotation without the blurred image.

[skywatcher]

I am trying to understand what causes the rotation for the top ring magnet versus the fixed bottom ring magnet.

I understand the repel force between the block magnet and the rod magnet and also the strong attract force between
the top ring magnet and the rod magnet.  But all these magnets are placed onto the common platform which is supposed
to rotate together with the top ring magnet, right? 

You are right. The rod magnet is pulled downwards, and will remain there. I also can see no reason why it should move after reaching its end position, and much less i can see any reason why the whole rotor should rotate. There will be no movement at all. It's the same wrong reasoning as one year ago in the setup with the bar magnets inside the rotating drum. This time it's even more obvious that it can not work.

[onepower]

skywatcher

You are right. The rod magnet is pulled downwards, and will remain there. I also can see no reason why it should move after reaching its end position, and much less i can see any reason why the whole rotor should rotate. There will be no movement at all. It's the same wrong reasoning as one year ago in the setup with the bar magnets inside the rotating drum. This time it's even more obvious that it can not work.

Early on I worked with magnetic systems such as the Wesley Gary device which was a good setup to get started on in my opinion. Over the years, as I progressed with my research I started seeing weird stuff going on and the reason why was seldom apparent. The problem is many times we see what we want to see versus what is present and occurring right in front of us.

For example we have a couple large but weak magnets which were all familiar with. Then under certain circumstances they start acting differently in certain setups and geometries for reasons we cannot understand. The problem here is that the magnet is polarized as a magnet but it can also be a conductor. Thus induced eddy currents from external fields can produce secondary magnetic fields within the magnet having almost any field orientation. It could oppose, it could assist or it could turn and break out entering other nearby magnetic materials. I have also measured field changes much faster than expected inducing currents as Wesley Gary claimed.

You see it can be something as simple as this yet if were not looking at it objectively with an open mind for what it is we could miss it. Is it a magnet or is it a conductor?... it can be both. This is also the most probable reason the inventors say only certain magnets having specific properties and geometries will work. The name Hans Coler also comes to mind where he physically wrapped his magnets with copper wire. Understand, these inventors did not generalize, they were very specific and meticulous in there work... details matter.

Regards

[skywatcher]

skywatcher
Early on I worked with magnetic systems such as the Wesley Gary device which was a good setup to get started on in my opinion. Over the years, as I progressed with my research I started seeing weird stuff going on and the reason why was seldom apparent. The problem is many times we see what we want to see versus what is present and occurring right in front of us.

For example we have a couple large but weak magnets which were all familiar with. Then under certain circumstances they start acting differently in certain setups and geometries for reasons we cannot understand. The problem here is that the magnet is polarized as a magnet but it can also be a conductor. Thus induced eddy currents from external fields can produce secondary magnetic fields within the magnet having almost any field orientation. It could oppose, it could assist or it could turn and break out entering other nearby magnetic materials. I have also measured field changes much faster than expected inducing currents as Wesley Gary claimed.

You see it can be something as simple as this yet if were not looking at it objectively with an open mind for what it is we could miss it. Is it a magnet or is it a conductor?... it can be both. This is also the most probable reason the inventors say only certain magnets having specific properties and geometries will work. The name Hans Coler also comes to mind where he physically wrapped his magnets with copper wire. Understand, these inventors did not generalize, they were very specific and meticulous in there work... details matter.

Regards

This might be the case in more complex (and dynamic) setups with active components. But this setup is completely passive. You are putting the magnets in place, nothing moves. Then you remove your hands from the setup, and what will happen ?  Will it start moving or rotating ?  I would say no. I can see no forces which would result in any movement whatsoever. To start any movement there should be some imbalance, and to continue the movement forever this imbalance would be required to persist forever. I don't see anything like this here.