The two capacitor paradox debate

[kajunbee]

Jeg, that would be the route to take. Air doesn't allow you too store a great deal of charge. Changing the property's  of the dielectric is not something I had considered. No clue how that could be done, but great idea.

[onepower]

Kajunbee

Your explanation in first post is the conclusion that I came to also. That it is simply the redistribution of charges over a larger area. I had given this quite a bit of thought over the years and was fairly comfortable with this explanation until recently. There are several videos on YouTube now concerning the paradox. In one it was said that if there was not a loss of energy the stored charge would slosh back and forth till the end of time. I'll see if I can find it again and provide you the link.

https://youtu.be/4v0YlultV0w
Not sure what this guys credentials are so you might take it with a grain of salt. I can't envision how this would be possible without some amount of inductance. As far as I know and ideal capacitor has zero resistance and inductance.

That was an interesting video, thanks.

We could do some thought experiments...
1) We have the two capacitor setup made of superconducting materials with zero resistance, connect them and the electron current sloshes back and forth for an untold amount of time.
2) We have the two capacitor setup with a very high resistance, connect them and it takes and untold amount of time for the voltages to balance.

It would be easy to assume the resistance is the cause of the dissipation of energy however in case 1 it is the inductance which causes the electrons to slosh back and forth not so much a lack of resistance.

In my experiments I added a coil with inductance in between the two capacitors and I measured a dampened alternating current between them. When I removed the inductance there was no alternating current and they balanced immediately. The problem here is that whenever an electron which carries an electric field with it moves it produces a magnetic field. The magnetic field on the conductor gives the electron current a property similar to inertia which then causes it to over run and alternate.

So we could suppose that if we used superconductors in the two capacitor setup and if all the resistance and inductance were removed the electrons would not slosh back and forth for an untold amount of time leaving us back at square one, as you implied. Most are not considering all the factors in my opinion which becomes problematic.

In my opinion the physics dictates that when the initial charge density balances over twice the surface area this is the first cause which dissipates the majority of the energy regardless of what happens in between the capacitors. It also helps that I have seen FE first hand and it was not based on a mysterious energy gain as many suppose but understanding and removing an inherent loss in the system many took for granted. So it is very important to understand exactly what is happening where and why in my opinion.

Regards

[Lunkster]

HI,

I WAS WRONG!  My drawing was way off basis because it had the wrong voltages and wrong representation of what is going on.
I AM SO SORRY!  A person my age should not be making mistakes like that.  I think it was a "BRAIN FART"  That stinks!
I AM SO THANKFUL FOR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS!  If it was not for your comments! I would not see my errors and I would not have a chance to correct them.  I have hopefully made the corrections in the attached drawing that make sense for interesting two cap problem.

The Lunkster

[v8karlo]

Lunkster,


In each cap should be 5V, and energy 1/4 , I think.


What do you think, is it real?
By doubling voltage energy grow very rapidly?


All we need to do is raise voltage in cap, and soon energy will be huge.

[kajunbee]

V8karlo is correct , there should be 5 volts across each cap. Each cap now has .25 joules stored energy.