Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM

[NickZ]

NickZ
So you believe in FE but it's political, you believe in EV's but won't buy one, you don't like pollution but think it's great we have so much oil to burn and it doesn't matter what we think?.
That quite a contradiction in terms and seems really confusing...

My thinking is easy to understand, I'm going to buy an EV because it's more efficient, cleaner, less maintenance and cheaper to operate.

As a bonus I can plug the EV into my house for back up power and use the storage to offset peak electrical rates. Charge the EV at the lowest grid rate then use the power when the rate is at the highest. It's a win, win, win situation in my opinion and when the battery pack needs to be replaced I will use it as solar storage so that's another win.

Then when FE goes mainstream next year I can build a FE generator to power my house and charge the old EV storage battery to charge my new EV which is yet another win. It's going to be awesome and I can't wait to go off grid.

P.S. -- I don't care what China or any other government is doing, not my problem.

Regards
AC

   OnePower: Well you don't seam to get what I'm saying. And, I don't think that you want to, either.  So, I'll leave it at that.As you seam to pretty much turn whatever I say around, and your interpretation of it, becomes not what I said, at all.Or, does that also not matter to you? No?

   We all have different needs, different jobs and salaries, etc. And I'm willing to bet that we will NOT see FE next year, nor anytime soon.  Why would we? Of course the electric power companies will benefit from millions of cars charging up using their power.  And you think that is all clean and green? Or is it that you don't care, either. But, I do, and so do most people.
  If you really want to end pollution, and reduce global warming, battery powered electric cars are not the way to get there.
As they will mostly be charged by burning coal, petroleum, and other contaminating sources. So, keep dreaming about FE next year.  Let me know how it goes. I will continue working on FE.  As I don't believe that centralized power grids are the answer, instead of individual home and work place FE power sources. And real FE cars that can even power your house, for free, if needed. Without needing to be charged, at all. That is what I'm waiting for, but I won't hold my breath. Nor do I really even need nor want to drive, as the traffic here is insane, already. Nor do I get off on speed.
   
   In 10 years, there may be double the need for power, easily. Can the grid handle it? Without building more nuke plants, like the one in Japan. You know there are over 700 nuclear power plant already, with more being built right now.
   I can see that you don't care, so, what's the point. Maybe there are other people that may agree with me, instead.
That is my hope, and it doesn't have to agree with your opinions. You are free to buy the car of your dreams.

   NickZ

[citfta]

There is very little that I agree on with onepower or AC as he is known on another forum.  I don't agree that climate change is man made.  I believe like many many others it is a natural part of the always changing world.  It has happened many times in the past and will continue in the future.  I don't believe in the fake pandemic.  There  is no reason to give people a fake vaccine that doesn't even work to prevent the spread of the Covid when simple treatments with Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquin easily stop the virus.


However I do agree he is totally correct that electric vehicles are a very good direction to go for future vehicles.  I am writing from personal experience with them.  My son bought a Chevy Volt last year.  It is a hybrid electric vehicle.  He drove it back to central Georgia from Pensacola, Fla.  Since the battery only range is about 45 to 50 miles he of course drove it home in hybrid mode.  He averaged 45 MPG.  That of course is much better than most any other car on the road that is a gasoline only vehicle.


Where he works is about 42 miles from home.  So he could charge his car here at home (he and his daughters live with us) and then drive to work.  His work has several charging stations.  He paid for charging at work at the charging station there and that gave him enough charge to get back home.  Since he usually went  by his daughters school and picked them up he would get about 2 miles from home before the Volt switched over to hybrid mode and started using the gasoline engine.  The gasoline engine only turns a large generator which then supplies the power to run the electric motor.


The economics of all this worked out this way.  His charger at home is connected to a storage building which has power.  So it was easy to see what effect it had on the electric bill as that building is billed separately from our home.  The electric bill went up by about $37 a month.  And his bill at work for charging there was about the same.  He only had to refill the gasoline tank every couple of months.  So for less than a hundred dollars a month he was able to drive about 90 miles per day for 5 days a week.  Even if you had a vehicle that got 30 MPG and gasoline was only $2.20 per gallon like it was for a while last year you would still spend $132 a month which is more than it was costing him to drive back and forth to work.  Then also your 30 MPG vehicle would have to have oil changes more often than his car since his gasoline engine was only running a short time each day.  And for almost all the time he was driving his vehicle was producing zero hydrocarbon pollution.  And it is a well known fact that an engine running at a fixed speed and load like an engine running a generator is much more efficient in operation.  That is why locomotives for the railroad use large diesel engines that turn large generators that then power massive electric motors to turn the wheels.  Hybrids are just more efficient.


But hybrids still use gasoline.  So this year my son bought a Chevy Bolt.  A total electric vehicle.  The range on it is almost 300 miles.  He can charge it here at the house and drive back and forth to work for 3 days before he has to charge it again.  He never has to buy gasoline so he doesn't care what the price of gasoline goes to.  Since we get our electric power from a co-op the price of the electricity to charge his all electric vehicle will likely not increase a lot in the future.  At least not as drastically as the cost of gasoline.  He also never has to worry about changing the oil or replacing the anti-freeze or his transmission going bad as there isn't one.  If he uses the regenerative braking system his brake pads will last much longer.  All of these things mean less pollution for the environment.


Since he is now driving the Bolt I have taken over the Volt to take his daughters to school each morning.  I can charge it here at home, take them to school and make any stops I need to while in town and then come back home with some power still left in the battery.  Their school is about 15 miles away.  The Volt is great for making short trips if you really don't want to use any gasoline at all. 


I actually like the Volt better since it is a hybrid you could drive it anywhere you want to go in hybrid mode.  But my son did drive the Bolt back home from Jacksonville, Fla. when he bought it.  He put an app on his phone that showed him where charging stations were located.  And there are many more of them than you would think.  He only had to stop twice to recharge and that was because the car was not fully charged when he got it.  If it had been fully charge he would have needed to stop only once.  The first time he stopped and took a nap for about an hour as the Bolt has the capability to take a much quicker charge than the Volt.  The next time he stopped he picked a place close to a fast food place so the car charged while he made a short walk over to the fast food place and got something to eat.  By the time he was done eating the car was charged enough to make it the rest of the way home.  So even with an all electric vehicle you can still travel if you plan your stops carefully.


Carroll

[onepower]

Citfta

However I do agree he is totally correct that electric vehicles are a very good direction to go for future vehicles.  I am writing from personal experience with them.  My son bought a Chevy Volt last year.  It is a hybrid electric vehicle.  He drove it back to central Georgia from Pensacola, Fla.  Since the battery only range is about 45 to 50 miles he of course drove it home in hybrid mode.  He averaged 45 MPG.  That of course is much better than most any other car on the road that is a gasoline only vehicle.

On my Hyundai Tucson hybrid SUV the biggest gain I see is in regenerative braking.

In a normal vehicle we use X energy to accelerate the mass of the car to Y velocity. Then when we brake all this kinetic energy is dissipated as heat in the brakes and wasted. However with a hybrid almost all the braking energy is used to recharge the battery pack. So when we brake/decelerate we get back most of the energy we use to accelerate in the first place. This is why city mileage is similar to the highway mileage plus the fact a hybrid doesn't idle when stopped in traffic.   

As you implied it's a superior technology which is more efficient and cheaper to operate. Like your son, my next vehicle will definitely be 100% electric and buying a hybrid was just to get my feet wet. My Tucson hybrid also has auto-steer and intelligent cruise and basically drives itself on the highway. It also has some balls and accelerates hard in sport mode. I'm pretty old school but I'm really impressed by this vehicle...

In some sense we could say were going backwards because all the first cars were electric. We were on our way to becoming a civilization based on electricity then it all went sideways on us. It started around 1860 when some guy discovered that this dirty black substance called oil could burn and be used for heating. Then they distilled the oil to produce gasoline/kerosene for engines.

However if oil was not discovered mankind would have evolved using electricity for everything. If there was no oil we would have developed better electrical technology and I suspect FE devices would have been normal. It was that small period of time in the 1860's when we moved from a clean sustainable future based on electricity to an unsustainable future based on oil/gas and burning stuff.

In some sense we could say we were simply wasting time for the last 160 years and finally getting back on track to where we should have been. The fact is there is nothing intelligent about burning stuff for energy. I mean no intelligent person should think this is a good idea because at some point were going to run out of stuff to burn. What happens when we have burned everything and most of it is now in our atmosphere?.

It's a god damn train wreck and there is nothing intelligent about it...

Regards
AC

[onepower]

We could think of the planet it this way...

If we divide the Earths habitable area by the population we get around 2.3 acres per person or 1/2 of a square city block.

This is your space and what you do in that space matters.
-How many resources do you have?, there obviously limited so how would you use them?.
-Where would you put all your garbage, would you bury it? what about water pollution?, burn it? that's air pollution.
-You have limited stuff to burn and a limited atmosphere, will you pollute all of it?, are there enough tree's and plants?, would they survive?.
-What about your family, more people means more consumption and pollution... remember you only have 2.3 acres and limited resources.
-What about energy?, obviously you can't burn everything because it can't regenerate fast enough and there's the pollution, solar?
-What about heating and air conditioning, food, water, clothing, appliances, tools and machinery?.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if we were living within the capacity of 2.3 acres or 1/2 city block most people would have died a long time ago.

They grow too fast, consume to much, pollute too much and use grossly inefficient energy systems. Which begs the question how anyone could think we haven't effected the water, atmosphere and climate on this planet. You have 1/2 city block to survive... use it well.

Regards
AC

[NickZ]

   OnePower:
   "The fact is there is nothing intelligent about burning stuff for energy. I mean no intelligent person should think this is a good idea because at some point were going to run out of stuff to burn. What happens when we have burned everything and most of it is now in our atmosphere?."

It's a god damn train wreck and there is nothing intelligent about it...

Regards,       AC
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   Onepower:  That's very well put.  So, what happens when we run out of stuff to burn? What will charge all those millions of new electric cars of the future.  And just how much will it really cost for the combination of buying a new electric car, and the form to charge it. And also, the power companies can and will raise their rates, any time they like... Especially if and when we run out of "stuff to burn".
  I am not against electric cars, I'm against the use of batteries to run them and everything else, like trains, airplanes, motorcycles, etc. As well as all the houses and industries that burn stuff for heating, also.That is what has to change. Otherwise...we are going to run out of stuff to burn. Even if you don't care, for now.

  I was born in Maracaibo, Venezuela. Where some of the largest reserves of oil in the world, are located. And I have seen the damage it has caused, already. Now, lake Maracaibo (biggest fresh water late in the world, that drains to the ocean), has all turned green, and smells like rotten eggs, and people living around the lake have been getting sick. So the oil companies buy them off their land, to continue doing what they are doing. It was not like that when I lived there, at all. That is still going to be the main future power source of electric cars, and is still the actual and real power source for electric vehicles, now. As they keep finding more and more and more oil to burn, for you.  Isn't that just great AC.  Or don't you get what I'm saying, this time around either, nor care, as well? While you drive down the road, thinking how cool all that electric technology is. And don't care what happens, in China, or Venezuela, or the oil spills, as in California. And just in case you get confused about what I'm saying.   I do very much care and am against burning oil, and anything else, at all. And especially concerning nuclear power, when things run dry. Like water, in the whole western part of the USA. What will cool those reactors??? When they have to ration the water source.

   We just had a 5.8 earthquake today, while I write, Think of what that can do to any Nuclear facilities, world wide, like in Japan, Russian, etc.   We have had many quakes in the last couple of month, here, in Costa Rica. When the grid goes down, where will your electric car get towed to. Not so, if it were really an electric self running vehicle. That is what I'm saying. Along with keeping ones monies in a bank, when things go dark, such as in Texas, and Puerto Rico. How, will you get your money out to pay the bills? And charge your car? When and if the grid goes down. Or you think that that will never happens. Or don't care?

    I'm not trying to convince any one of anything. Just saying...
   NickZ