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AC voltage from single magnetic pole

Started by nix85, October 04, 2020, 10:16:36 PM

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nix85

Quote from: partzman on October 09, 2020, 03:27:21 PM
Nix,

Are you sure you and the author of this video have interpreted the results correctly?  Here we see three coils spaced the same distance apart as the PMs in the rotor.  However, the first two coils relative to the rotational direction of the rotor, have their axis at 90 degrees to the PM axis while the third coil with the voltage sense coil have their axis in line with the PM axis.  Aren't we apples to oranges here?  The current phase in the first two coils at 90 degrees off-axis will be different that the third on-axis coil. 

I noticed first coil is at 90° and i attribute the votage ripple to it. Not an issue.

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Also notice the screenshot taken below that is early in the test, shows the current waveform more symmetrical around zero as compared to the shot you choose to use in the later part of the video.  In the screen shot below, the phase is not even close to 90 degrees but appears from dimensional measurement to be more like 56 degrees. 

In the scope pix you show taken at the later time in the video, the current waveform has shifted considerably upwards off center and does appear to be closer to 90 degrees.

56? Are you kidding? In your screenshot current is barely above 0 when voltage is max, this is near perfect 90°.

QuoteAlso, you criticized my frequency using the hand passed PM but this test has a half period of ~15ms where with my test the same half period is ~17ms!?

Already addressed that, i ascribe it to many more turns than you used.

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IMO, this video does nothing to confirm your position.

Regards,
Pm

So, you're a joker. Good one.

nix85

In fact, it is not near perfect, it IS perfect 90° offset.


verpies

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 11:28:24 AM
Resistance brings i-v into phase, but he claims they can be in phase in purely inductive circuit WITHOUT resistance.
Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 11:43:27 AM
Once again.. he claims they can be in phase in purely inductive circuit WITHOUT resistance.
Yes, that is what I claim when the inductor is energized magnetically. 
Also, I claim that this is true in inductive circuits WITH resistance when they are energized magnetically.

partzman

Nix,

When you look and compare the rising edge of the voltage waveform in red, as compared to the rising edge of the current waveform in yellow as compared to the overall current period that is yellow-yellow, the phase is about what I stated, not 90 degrees.  You are comparing the aberration in the voltage waveform to the peak in the current waveform which is not truly accurate.

Regards,
Pm


verpies

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 11:43:27 AM
To at least approach these conditions with resistive wire, one has to use the method i gave above.
1. Separate coil to measure voltage.
2. Measure current with clamp probe.
3. AT LEAST 50 turns of thick wire.
I agree with these experimental conditions and add that:
a) the "open voltage coil" must not be in close proximity to the "closed current coil" because the latter distorts the flux from the magnet passing through the former.
b) the coils must be identical so no objections can be raised based on their differences.
c) the apparatus must be calibrated in such manner, that when both coils are open, then the voltage signals generated by them are identical and in-phase.