Lords of the Ring

[bolt]

Well i have read a few posts, not all of them but i think the designs you guys have made maybe too complicated now:) Perhaps reflect on SM's original design assuming they did actually work. I think they did. Through watching his vids some snippets of information was leaked out. In the smallest earliest design the unit was said to:

made of simple bailing wire
produced 62 volts
it could be felt shaking at 7.3 cycles per second. Is this another clock or an artifact?
capable of 25 watts
increases heat with load
had no mass circuitry.
start with 1 magnet which started and stopped but slowly declined when magnet taken away. This appear the circuit almost ran but slowly declined and certainly did not stop abruptly when magnet removed.

The bigger unit

start with 2 magnets
6000 hz AC output looks like DC.
91 volts

Largest unit i think he said churned out about 780 volts and the centre of the coil look like feedback tap with 2 large caps with bleed resistors across them.

I conclude the larger the coil the more power and increase in running output voltage. It appears he had no control over the final output voltage and seems to be free running and churned out whatever it could produce. This happens with switch mode PSU when no PWM control employed but he "could" have implemented  this although would have made the circuit far more complicated.

The 6000 hz output maybe a useful clock and perhaps all units ran this speed. I see some posts getting extreme pulses of pico durations and you may end creating a black hole and we all disappear into it LOL. Seriously you need to take extreme care!  SM clock may not have been dead accurate either and 555 may have worked.  As this is High frequency AC only resistive loads could be driven from this output. However, in one vid he used an old transformer invertor design to change this power to 110 volts 60 Hz. This is completely logical and proves the units are not DC outputs but rather 6k Hz AC nor is he converting the output to pure DC via a full bridge. In laymans terms he often refered to them as DC output. Once converted to near pure sine wave 60 Hz 110 he is then able to run a vacuum cleaner and electric drill.

Last point is the vids are recorded around 1997 so 10 years ago. He may have had this kicking around for at least 5 years prior so we are possible talking 1992 electronics. To my knowledge power MOS FETS were still a bit shaky in design at this time even though i worked with the original VN46 VMOS in the mid 80's and certainly not of the very high voltage handling and high speed switching types we see now days. Input capacitance was a big problem back then although now almost every switching application uses mosfets. I know a lot has been said in the posts about getting switching as fast as possible but todays fets will run to hundreds of megs/gigs very very easily on their own unintentionally and run as RF noise generators just leaving the gate floating or ringing.  The point to this is SM may not have used anything more then a line output tranny for   a TV set and if the circuits really did work they looked to me like self oscillating devices and not highly complex PC clocked or Xtal controlled devices.  Thats why i think the designs on here have got too complicated. His coils looked rather simple too. Some shots show complete coils tapped at 90 degrees. No half moon or tripple layer stuff or anything too fancy.

Those that spent a lot of time (and money) may need to take a step back and think of simple ideas rather then precision clocks which i dont think are necessary. Assuming the answer is on our doorstep now i bet it transpires as something quite simple at the end of the day.

[giantkiller]

@bolt,
Points very well made.

Radiant energy can be gotten in 2 ways. By driving the copper hard or by the correct transmitter/receiver tuning to the Universe's forces. The first is easy and what I consider industrial. The second makes extensive use of antenna physics I call virtual dynamics. I don't move properties but the bigger force that I am looking at does that work.
In the brute force way many posters have contrived their own pathway into what they understand. Me included. But I don't stand my ground in what I know but listen and learn to progress towards a solution no matter what. I don't let my own understanding stand in the way. I have picked up only that which works and which I had a hand in along with others. Others have shown methods that work. Period. I can't talk about what I haven't done. I really don't know where I stand with the other hardpressed souls here. But in my own world I have things working that teach me and I feel are closer to what is the goal.
Also in the brute force way there is a large following to get the power then control it. That is the wrong and dangerous way. Using the Turbo coil is a smaller platform to make the necessary steps safely. I have been hurt twice and that fun is over. The correct answers have been posted for those willing to follow. I believe I have found them or they found me. My choices have led me to what works and not necessarily through all my own effort.
I am happy with what I have progressed to so far and most assuredly will overcome any impass or boundary when it arises.

I will take into account what you have posted and no doubt implement those things in the future that meet the need.

Welcome aboard and thanks for the post.

The most curious question I have is 'What do you call a passive object that is attracted to a force by that force and then echoes or produces output'. That is what I meant by virtual dynamics.

--giantkiller. It is not the complexity going in but the beauty coming out..

[acerzw]

GK,

I don't want to distract you from your ongoing endeavors, had a weird dream last night (really!) it would be difficult to explain but I can say it included some very interesting organised aerial phenomenon.

Anyway, shortly after it occurred to me that it might be useful to observe if or what magnetic flux patterns the tpu generated, after all this energy might be collected and used more efficiently.

So this is a fairly crazy idea, but like the old magnet experiment why not place (or suspend) two panes of glass over the tpu with a uniform scattering of iron fillings sandwiched in between, sealed at the edges with duct tape, and observe the field distribution, might show some interesting effects? Might lead to clues about optimizing coli configuration?

Well just another one to throw out there...

Acerzw, researcher

p.s. the object you mentioned, I would call it a 'tuned' or 'natural' passive/active resonator depending on its origin and method of operation.

[innovation_station]

a good idea bud

but i think if you look on youtube you will find some vids of this done in a similar way using a magnetic liquid that clearly shows what kind of magnetic effect takes place inside of a sator winding it shows the spinnors no ?if i can find the link i will post

[acerzw]

@innovation_station

I take your point, however I think the dynamics in GK's coil are more complex and because of this may give more worthwhile and exploitable results.

Acerzw, researcher