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Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water

Started by Sergh, May 12, 2021, 05:03:49 PM

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perepou

Quote from: Sergh on June 12, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
Graphene does not have cavities, it can if fullerenes or carbon nanotubes are used..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullerene
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube

That was my idea, but I'm not so clear anymore:
Some companies claim to commercialize graphene nanotubes (one of the forms of furelene, buckytubes).

At least that's what the company says
OCSIAl
https://ocsial.com/nanotubes/

And they market under the brand:
TUBALL
https://tuball.com/about-tuball

There are also some works that talk about cavities in graphene, in certain circumstances:
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/nanomaterials/nanomaterials-12-04004/article_deploy/nanomaterials-12-04004.pdf

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NOTE: I made my first participation in the forum with this entry:

https://overunity.com/19493/01-optimization-for-hho-resonant-systems-meyeretc/

Before continuing editing the rest that I had in mind, I would like to know if it is visible, since I do not see any type of movement, if someone could give some signal, to check, it would be appreciated.

Maybe I have a wrong configuration.


Thank you.

kolbacict

Will carbon tablets with a large surface of ionistors or anode tablets of tantalum capacitors work ?
Similar that as  it  work in zeolite.  ???

kolbacict

Tell me someone, what is this mystery of electrolytic capacitors with a porous anode
with a highly developed surface? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantalum_capacitor
Well, a huge surface area covered with oxide, but in deep caverns
however there is no electric field. The cavity is surrounded on all sides by a metal
tantalum with the same potential. No gradient.What kind force cause the conduction ions of the cathode-
electrolyte to go into the deepest places? It's not just the area that matters.
electrode, but that this area is in direct contact with another electrode,isn't it?

Sergh

Hey, I don't know. Lots of options. But, in my opinion, fullerenes and carbon nanotubes have cavities that are too large.

https://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/progress07/v_n_7_goddard.pdf

The best option would most likely be from the field of "molecular sieves". The author of a patent on the decomposition of water using calcium hydroxide, high temperature and vacuum has previously with the  zeolites as a fertilizer.

Sergh

A couple of weeks ago there was a problem, I can not currently replicate this option, which was certainly working:

https://overunity.com/18865/low-temperature-catalytic-thermolysis-of-water/msg578846/#msg578846

Now I kind of figure out why. I used fresh zeolite. And if you carefully study the group of key patents, in one of it describes the procedure for pre-treatment of calcium hydroxide. Preliminary preparation consists in heating at a certain temperature of 500 - 550 degrees Celsius in a vacuum. The old portion of calcium zeolite was already heated in a vacuum and worked.
This patent is similar as patent for hydrogen, same autor, read  "Sample 1":

https://patents.google.com/patent/SU1011511A1

About the inventor, Ruvin Iosel-Girshevich Garber.
He specialized in crystals, crystallography, crystal growth theory, twinning of crystals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_twinning

Often cited this book in scientific papers on such topics:
https://books.google.com/books?id=qHwWbX6QLnYC

One of his patent was cited in the Georgian patent as a prototype.

All patents of this author:

https://patents.google.com/?inventor=%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80&assignee=%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%9F%2f%D0%AF+%D0%92-8851&oq=inventor:(%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80)+%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%9F%2f%D0%AF+%D0%92-8851

therefore, there is interest in all kinds of crystals, especially porous unstable forms, for sample:
https://iznedr-ru.translate.goog/books/item/f00/s00/z0000000/st002.shtml?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en
Read about the amazing varieties of zeolite, laumontite, that disintegrate into dust within hours of being brought to the surface.

Quote from: kolbacict on July 07, 2023, 03:26:35 PM
And sound wave,especially ultrasonic is creating  zones high and low  pressure in gas.
Could this used ? In addition, it penetrates into any caverns of zeolites.

Ultrasound with zeolite and gas has not been tested. We need some kind of powerful ultrasonic emitters that work in air. Or a mechanical air impedance transformer, a "high force, low amplitude" to "low force, high amplitude" converter for ordinary water ultrasonic transducer.
The absorption of ultrasound in the zeolite will be high. Maybe it would be better to use a normal high-amplitude sound, but there are also issues with obtaining high acoustic power in a small volume.

Tested a powerful source of ultrasound with water and zeolite. The result is negative. Now it becomes clear that water in the liquid phase cannot be used because it saturates calcium hydroxide and does not allow maintaining the equilibrium shift for water dissociation. For liquid phase experiments it is necessary to use water, but not in water. Paradox. I already wrote about it. Small amount of water, dissolved in a liquid with a larger molecular size.