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The MAD MAX e-car

Started by lancaIV, July 23, 2021, 06:56:42 AM

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lancaIV

step by step to the MADE MAX car/e-mobile :


http://www.evalbum.com/314


12 V x 70 Ah battery = 840 VAh for 49 Km range                     840 VAh / (40 VAh/Kg) = > 20 Kg battery-weight


                               = 840 VAh / 49 Km


                               = 1715 VAh for 100 Km range


rated ! nominal battery capacity/power storage !


https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/


https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png


                                                                      LEAD ACID BATTERY


1715 VAh x 0,4 (for 40% DOD ) =686 VAh real available  1715 VAh x 0,35 (for 35% DOD) = 600 VAh available





in Lavenami used 1,5 KW 12 V DC motor conversion efficiency ? Compared 2021 average/best performance  ?


600 Watt-hour consume for 100 Km and 150 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h,net(to) !?





1500 Watt 12V DC 1.change  to 1500 Watt 220V AC !   2nd change : 1500 W 220 AC with capacitive winding !


300 Wh                         for 100 Km  and  75 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h


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from simple to all-in-one-experimental concept


Ferreira capacitive winding motor ,by belt RPM step down


60 Wh                         for 100 Km   and 15 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h


And the Kosovo Uni Prof. Todorovic his recuperation generator ?


        consume by            steady                                            30 Km/h
     
                                                                                           35 Km/h


                                                                                           40 Km/h  ( Lavenami speed max )


                                                                                           70 Km/h   GarWood supercar and Arzen speed max

 


from 20 Kg+ Lead Acid battery weight to 7,5 Kg LTO or LiFePo ( a min. 150 Wh/Kg) and max 5 Kg modified or pure sine wave inverter

 


                                                                  "15 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h "


can also a simple Koehler artificial light conversion tube 70 Watt(5,25% eff),140 W(10% eff),200 W(15 % eff) per hour
                                                                 and the battery recharging

lancaIV

#44 : Arzen its e-Egg nominal 12,25 KWh lead battery capacity by weight ( 350 Kg given weight x assumpted 35 Wh/Kg)


                                         x


https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/


https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png


                                        = 12,25 KWh x 0,35 / 0,8 = 5,36 KWh available/need of electric energy/power


                                       Lead-to-Lithium comparison (beyond Lithium : Natrium and/or Alu-Graphene and ...)


                                                                                      x


1942 pure electro-magnetic electric motor with average <50% average energy conversion efficiency to 2021 average 90% pm electric motor

                                             

                                       = +- 3 KWh electric consume for circa 100 Km drive

                                 Gar/field Woods supercar performance ? with lead-to-Lithium ?

                          https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/a31095213/gar-woods-many-talents/

                           like Arzen the car performance : but 3,6 KWh by higher car body weight

                          Woods chassis remebers dune "buggy"-chassis https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW-Buggy


Now compareable with #43 2021 known or in sell ( compareable by weight and range )concepts their consume per 100 Km/25 Km per hour


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5   nominal 250 W motor ,45 Kg   max 24 Km/h


https://citkar.com/de/ Loadster                 nominal 250 W motor,150 Kg   max 25 Km/h


https://www.cityq.biz/                              nominal 250 W motor,60 Kg     max 25 Km/h ,limited


Not to forget the e-Egg total weight reducement and energetic consume decrease and speed potential increase effect !



                                                       +- 3 KWh electric consume

                                                  battery capacity by power/weight ratio :
                                                        conventional,in research

            / 150 Wh/Kg                      / 250 Wh/Kg               / 500 Wh/Kg            / 1000 Wh/Kg           / 15 000 Wh/Kg




                                          -  brake energy recuperation and/ or on-board generator


                                          -  electric-motor improvement




                 10 X e-Eggs a 100 Kg (or less ),two-seater = 1 X 1 ton heavy electric car

                   1000 - 2000 US$                                                    25 000 US$



...

                          3 KWh per 100 Km /2 electric motor improvement  divided speed/velocity=time :


                                                      / 4 magnetic diode + cap-winding motor


                                                      / 10 pure capacitive winding cycle motor




                                                        Nano-Boxx 0,1 - 1 KW (per hour) unit potential !

lancaIV

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/12v-12000-rpm-motor.html


-2 US$ each ,fob factory, for assembly  :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19951107&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP


we read : Garfield Wood  ;)


Lavenami with 2x 4 motors transmission couple = ENOUGH ,included hills up and hills down


http://www.evalbum.com/314


to http://www.evalbum.com/motor


Gas engines are rated at their peak hp, electric motors are rated at their continuous hp.


The peak hp of an electric motor is usually 8to 10 times its continuous rating.




and calculate with nominal and maximal power output , electrical and/or kinetical


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer
f.e. 19 KW IC-engine  Zuendapp-Volkswagen   /8 to 10        to electric motor KW = 2,0-2,5 KW nominal


Kraft durch Freude Der KdF-Wagen  less than 19 KW,      only ICE 18 kW !  / 8-10 =   nominal 2 KW electric motor

VW 30 (Porsche Typ 60 1936/37)                                   only ICE 16 KW !  / 8-10 =  nominal 1,6-2,0 KW electric



                                                    the nominal electric motors number now trans- and understand-able ,is it not ?

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1


                                                      1,5 KW AC

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1

                                                      2 KW, 4x 500 W





                                                     EVOLUTION by numbers RE-ENGINEERING




p.s. : https://documento.mx/preview/nikola-tesla-electric-car-part-1-5c117d5b7957e


                                    page 7


Please note that none of the manufacturers of electric cars ever installed a D.C. generator. This would have put a small charge back into the batteries as the car moved about and would have thereby increased its operating range. This was considered by some to be approaching perpetual motion - and that, of course, was utterly impossible! Actually, D.C. generators would have worked and helped the electric car cause.


the light machine in cars  is a generator,is it not ? DC or AC ? since when installed,part from cars equipment !?








Volksroller or https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa
                   
                                 Internal Combustion Engine peak hp to nominal electric motor W


3,2 ICE hp to 2,4 ICE KW to /(8 to 10 = average 9) = nominal/rated  0,27 KW electric motor


5    ICE  hp the VESPA 125 version                          = nominal/rated  0,5   KW  electric


                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWv_sePLU0  nominal 350 Watt e-bike/Mo-Fa

                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU   ic to nominal 750 W e-bike

                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwX1vGQIwqk over-powered ? or TOP GUN  8)


                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1SWRb_7f48 OMG, 2000 W nominal  :o




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller


                  ICE 2,5 hp/PS to 1,88 ICE KW to /8-10 = 200 -250 W nominal electric motor ( C5 Sinclair level )

This was followed by the installation of a Riedel engine from the Imme motorcycle with 98 cm³ and 4.5 hp, which helped the vehicle, which was built in 154 units by December 1951, to a top of 75 km / h.


                  ICE 4,5 hp/PS to 3,35 ICE KW to /8-10 =  nominal/rated  400 Watt electric motor

                                                                       13 ICE hp translated :


  NOMINAL 1500 W ELECTRIC MOTOR PERFORMANCE LEVEL : World records with the Messerschmitt KR 200 "Super"

                               so that in second gear about 80, in third 100 and in fourth over 120 km / h were reached.


                                                    The top speed is said to have been 130–140 km / h.
                                                   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5


Enthusiasts have established owners' clubs and some have modified their vehicles substantially, adding bigger wheels, jet engines, and high-powered electric motors to propel their C5s at speeds of up to 150 miles per hour (240 km/h). 8)



( by weight and speed max we can compare and state the Lavenami 1,5 KW electric motor as over-powered )


not to forget : to get for conversed vehicles street use legality ! Approvement !


In some countries (professional car industry protection !) " (general) operating licence/operation permit "-process X times more expensive than the conversion parts /total vehicle value !







now :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A


An equation for calculating the torque of a general motor is shown as below:


##EQU1## Wherein T stands for torque,HP stands for horse power,N stands for rev./min.


In general, for conventional motors of 1 HP and 3 HP, the power consumptions are 746 W/H and 2238 W/H.


These motors can be operated at high speed with low output torque or operated at low speed with larger torque, no matter how it operates, the power consumptions thereof are respectively 746 W/H and 2238 W/H.


In comparison, when a DC 12 V mini motor with full load capacity 25 g, 560 mA, running at 13340 rev./min is used, a plurality of such motors can be assembled and operated in association with a suitable number of down-speed gear sets so as to obtain proper operation speed.


The power consumptions thereof in the same conditions as above, are compared with the conventional motors to conclude that at most only one eleventh of the power consumed in above cited motors is required.




                                  R- EVOLUTION by numbers RE-ENGINEERING




p.s.:                                                    a car for the youth ?


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/vw/vw-id-2/


         The study's electric motor has an output of 172 kW / 234 hp and accelerates from 0 to 100 km / h in 6.9 seconds , with a top speed of 180 km / h.

             172 electric KW to x 8 to ten times factor for internal combustion engine KWs = average 1500 ICE KW or 2000 hp/PS


                                      Contemporary ? ZEIT(GEIST)GEMAESS ? Intelligent or FOUL ?

                      https://at.wikiqube.net/wiki/Iso_(automobile) Iso Isetta bubble-car https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Isetta

                              10 hp (7 KW)  BMW : 12-13 hp ( 8,8-9,6 KW) combustion engine peak power


                                                  equates       +- nominal  1,5 KW electric motor KW


                                                                 but: as remake

                                                     https://microlino-car.com/de/microlino
                                                        11 KW e-motor , peak 90 Km/h

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nao3Pc85n-A                                     https://www.opel.de/fahrzeuge/rocks-e/uebersicht.html
     nominal 6 KW                                                                                                       nominal  6 KW e-drive

                    VW ID.LIFEbystupids Electric motor, 172 kW / 234 PS, 290 Nm torque
 
                    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer ic-engine x 100 times = 1600 hp to 1900 hp ICE peak power

                                                 Engineering error ! IDIOTIE MIT FREUDE der KdF-Werkler !

                   social and economical mis(s)-management : 1 X VW ID = 10 X well organized e-cars by material and power saving

                      Which parents will pay for their child/s eqi1000 PS+ -Boliden ? Volks-Diabolos !
                      Die deren Kind/-er hassen,womoeglich - und - schnell loswerden wollen !? ::)


                      VW ID.Life : der e-Zyklon unter all den Zyklonen (A,B,C,......) Fahr Heil !
                                              From point A to point B :

                                                     Two EXTREMES :

Eco-Marathon Duke University nominal               75 Watt      electric motor vehicle

VW ID.LIFE                                   nominal      172 000 Watt     electric motor vehicle




                                                                             
                                                      Clube of Rome :                 Die Grenzen des Wachstums

                                                                     Praeambel der physischen  Oekonomie :                         
                                   Den geringstnoetigen Aufwand zu/bei  hoechstmoeglichen Ertrag

                                                                        In Zeit,in Masse(Volumen)

                                         Es ward einst ein Volk der (Ver-)Dichter und ( Voraus)Denker

                                         Tesla ( Motor/AC Propulsion ) Inc. with same bad performance as VW !

lancaIV

Duke University          75 Watt electric motor vehicle


VW ID               172 000 Watt electric motor vehicle




(75 W x 10) + (172 000 W / 10) = 750 W + 17 200 W = 17 950 W /2 =


                                           nominal 9000 W physical AVERAGE ,9 KW


Like Tesla Motors began ,based by existent technologies and models (Lotus Engineering )


we take an "open source" = free available technology platform : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo


                                                                                             https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo
                                                                                                     6 kWh Strom je 100 km


https://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/oeko-mobile-3-loremo-ls-der-neue-leicht-sinn-1.545433#:~:text=Eine%20kleine%20M%C3%BCnchner%20Autoschmiede%20zeigt,schnittig%2C%20schnell%20und%20%C3%A4u%C3%9Ferst%20sparsam.


Eine kleine Münchner Autoschmiede zeigt, dass es auch anders geht: Loremo LS ist ein 1,5-Liter-Fahrzeug, das nicht nur richtig klasse aussieht, sondern mit nur 20 PS sportlich-dynamischen Fahrspaß verspricht.


A small Munich car manufacturer shows that there is another way: Loremo LS is a 1.5-liter vehicle that not only looks great, but also promises sporty, dynamic driving fun with just 20 hp.




                                Internal Combustion Engine horse-power peak ! 15 ICE KW peak !


                                     Electric Motor a. DC ? b. AC,Hz ?   nominal/rated ? KW


           Eberhard https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion and Eberhard Tesla Motor  and later the Elon Musk participation


In Malaysia ( Muslime estate) the nominal 9 KW e-drive Loremo with unlimited range technology for end consumer 5000 Euros price,net, industrial,mass production,realizeable !


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://whokilledthe3litercar.de/loremo.htm


Sämtliche Patente wurden von Loremo schlicht fallen gelassen, so dass sämtliches Wissen und sämtliche Entwicklungswerte in meiner Person vereint sind und der Aurilion Design GmbH zur Verfügung stehen.


All patents were simply dropped by Loremo, so that all knowledge and all development values ​​are united in my person and are available to Aurilion Design GmbH.


But the in the patent publications claims free , restriction-free use and fee-free, DE-national and international ,WO/EP and .....  !


https://whokilledthe3litercar-de.translate.goog/eauto.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,elem&_x_tr_sch=http


Under what circumstances can electrically powered mobiles have environmentally beneficial effects?The answer is very simple: when they are appropriately small, light, aerodynamic and economical. In particular, the battery should be as small and light as possible and the motor should also not be too powerful (and therefore heavy and contain copper).

These criteria apply primarily to e-bikes, but in a similar way also to e-scooters and small electric motorcycles. They also apply to ultra-light electric cars, such as the unfortunately "extinct" City-El from Citycom.
In the case of such small vehicles, there is also the "beneficial" fact that correspondingly small internal combustion engines are significantly less efficient than internal combustion engines with larger cylinder volumes.


The most harmful effect of electric cars comes from pure information!

The most damaging impact electric cars currently have has nothing to do with the direct environmental impact of these vehicles. And it probably also explains the high status that electric cars are currently playing in the public debate.
Together with hydrogen cars and other nonsensical concepts, they dominate the public discussion in such a way that all other significant questions regarding more sustainable mobility are almost completely ignored.
When was the last time you heard of the call for SUVs and minivans to finally end up in the trash can? Except on this page, have you ever read about the fact that 3-liter cars are being withdrawn from the market for no reason at all, have you heard that anyone publicly cried for these really more sustainable cars?
Can you see it! Instead, for decades we have only been talking about a supposedly sustainable type of vehicle, which, because of its high production costs, can only be raised to market shares between one per thousand and one percent with massive funding. On the other hand, assuming a positive mention in the press, 3-liter cars would have the chance to easily make up 30% of the total vehicle fleet.


The effects on the reduction of fossil fuel consumption and CO2 production would be considerably more serious than in the case of the promised 1 million mark for electric cars in 2020, even if they have no other environmental impact and if they do not cause any CO2 elsewhere would.

This argument doesn't actually speak against electric cars. But it speaks against these being elevated to the SOLE remedy for our ecological problems. And it speaks against the fact that large electric cars like those from Tesla and the other automakers are still rated positively at all!



                                                                                    an opinion !

lancaIV

 http://web.archive.org/web/20051216094710/www.loremo.com/daten.htm


https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/sparwunder-loremo-leicht-und-luftig-a-505705.html


Mass production number at first :  Jährlich seien zunächst einmal 10.000 Autos denkbar.
                                                            Initially 10,000 cars a year are conceivable.

GM,Toyota,VW,Stellantis selling units per annum : each in the 5 000 000 +

                                                         20 000 000+ the TOP4 / 10 000 units  ::)   


  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo
                       6 kWh Strom je 100 km


                     included brake energy recuperation ? e-Loremo weight ! 600 Kg ?


Reva NXG concept car weight https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahindra_Electric


37 KW rated AC motor:   12 KWh/100 Km electric consume - 3 KWh/100 Km brake energy recuperation = net 9 KWh/100 Km consume


                                                                            Reva NXG weight ! 825 Kg !


                                                       
                                                                           compared :


Arzen e-Egg performance : 12,25 KWh lead-acid battery x 0,35  DOD = 4,3 KWh x 0,5 electric motor 1942 efficiency = 2,15 KWh/100 Km


                                                                                   /0,8 DOD Lithium          /0,9 pm motor 2021                      = 3 KWh /100 Km


                                                          3 KWh /100 Km consume less brake energy recuperation ?


                                                          2,5 KWh/ 100 Km (less battery weight effect) less brake energy recuperation ?


      The Citikar Loadster performance : 3 KWh /100 Km  ,included brake energy recuperation ?




The Reva NXG http://www.tomw.net.au/technology/transport/reva.shtml  3 KWh/100 Km brake energy  :  related 825 Kg x speed


Arzen E-Egg brake energy recuperation performance with 450 Kg ,with 100 Kg ,weight x speed per 100 Km ?




Loremo,Reva,Raser Technology and other trials


  like  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller and
   2009 -2012 trial  https://web.archive.org/web/20120213034223/http://www.vehiconomics.com/

( new temptation 2021 :


   https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.electrive.net/2021/04/21/neuauflage-messerschmitt-kabinenrollers-mit-e-antrieb/ 


                                 the technical numbers ! weight,speed max ,KW e-drive and Voltage ?


                                The 1.4 kWh battery should allow a maximum range of at least 80 kilometers !

                                                                  consume per 100 Km !
5 Kilowatt starker QS-Permanentmagnet DC-Motor zum Einsatz, der die Bremsenergie des Fahrzeuges in Energie umwandelt, die in die Batterien fließt.


A 5 kilowatt QS permanent magnet DC motor is used, which converts the vehicle's braking energy into energy that flows into the batteries.

                                                       this QS DC 5 KW unit fob factory for +- 300 Euros available !                                                                          









https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/elektroauto/messerschmitt-kr-e-5000-elektrischer-kabinenroller/    )



can be called financial flops , many other trials in the peswiki-page also,


but  the Suez-/Panama-/Euro-channel/passage investments has been also  catastrophal finance mega-flops for the (first)  investors !




Reva Gross-Serie/Massproduction number for the first year plan : 30 000 units ! India population ? Export ?


Tata Nano ? A <2000 US$ car ! https://www.businesstoday.in/magazine/focus/story/nanos-real-test-begins-17095-2010-06-08

The company had hoped to sell 100,000 cars made at its Pantnagar plant by the time production began at Sanand,




The tear up in the media ! Reva more a Wi(t)z = joke,similar C5 Sinclair vehicle !




It will be a "learning curve"-effect to realize as 1.step an 2500 Wh to 1250 Wh per 100 Km consume


                                                                 ( 2.step : to 625 Wh per 100 Km )


                                                                 3rd.step : 250 Wh per 100 Km Ferreira capacitive winding motor


                                                                              E-Egg and


recuperate this 1.step 625 Wh consume per hour ( average 50 Km/h) with 1x simple Generator/Li Yng transmission couple ,


                                                                     or 2 Li Yng Mo-Gen sets,(or 3x) !


                                               It is more an ECO-Marathon project and not a TOP4 attack !

                                               Own mass production target : probably in the 100 units per year !
                       

                                              "My ArK" passenger number is not 8 billions,more  1,5 and less billions to millions !

                                               Over the time,no stress ! No hurry !








Instead aluminium body "oceanic plastics recycle" and bubble-similar 3dformer there are some on my list like

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=herbak+zsolt&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search




QS electric drive


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