RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.

[captainpecan]

WHAT YOU ARE NOT SEEING IS WHEN THE STEEL PLATE WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE FLYWHEEL APPROACHES THE TWO OPPOSING REPELLING NIBS, THE PLATE IS ATTRACTED TO THE MAGNETS BY VIRTUE OF 4 TIMES THE MAGNETIC FIELD FORCE. AND AS IT IS TRAPPED IN BETWEENIN THE REPELLING MAGNETS, ALL IT TAKES IS A VERY LOW ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE TO BREAK THE EQUILIBRIUM HOLD FORCE. AND THEN AGAIN  WAKE THE LOCK UP GENIE PUSH REPELLING FORCE. BUT OF CRUCIAL IMPORTANCE IS THE STORED MOMENTUM OF THE FLYWHEEL ONCE IN MOTION. PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER.

See, that is what I am missing. I do not see that there is less force leaving the magnetic field. He never tests that. If it really does require 1/4 the energy to leave and the amount of energy gained as it approaches, that is very easy see with a simple test. Not necessarily the amount of energy, but the fact that there would be a difference in the amount.


If he simply releases the scale and the back bolt to allow the flywheel to fully rotate again. All he has to do is very slowly allow the flywheel to rotate forward until it begins to pull towards the magnets. If he lets it do its thing, what I believe you will see is that it will in fact pull the flywheel around until the metal passes the gap but it will then slow to a stop and pull backwards again because I do not believe he can show a greater force pulling in that what it is needed to leave. If however, the metal travels past the gap and continues through and past that "gate" pulling it back, then he really does something there. Unfortunately, I don't see him being able to duplicate that effect. I sure hope he can.


Also, for further understanding, his test is using magnets on the outside, as well as magnets on the inside. But his pulse motor appears to replace the outer magnets with his coil.. (electro magnet)... Does he still have outer magnets somewhere when he is using his coil and I am not seeing it in his video? If not, his pulse would have to be EXACTLY the correct current and voltage at EXACTLY the correct moment to accurately duplicate his permanent magnet test. Is the guy who is making these videos discussing this on a thread in THIS forum somewhere, or is he referring to another one?


Also, don't get me wrong here. I'm being negative. I'm always very open minded. I'm just always fact based and trying to dig into the facts as much as possible to understand what is actually going on here.

[captainpecan]

The rotating ferrous plate's removal from between the "two" magnets (one on either
side of the rotating ferrous plate) is resisted by the same amount of force as it was
attracted in by the "two" magnets.  No net gain.

Yeah, see that's what I'm seeing is the case here as well. However, it seems that he says it takes less to leave the field. If that is true, I'm not seeing that.


But like you say, if he is seeing a 4 times attraction with only double the magnets, that could be an effect that can be worth noting. It is so hard to actually test the facts of that in reality though. Only testing the peak doesn't really prove anything, but I'm not exactly sure how to make a better test. This one is difficult.

[Floor]

See, that is what I am missing. I do not see that there is less force leaving the magnetic field. He never tests that.

You are correct.
When there are two magnets  (one inside the plate and one outside)
There is not less force to leave the field.  It is exactly the same, entering and or leaving.

When there is one magnet  (inside only) you are correct also.
There is not less force to leave the field.  It is exactly the same, entering or leaving.

He never tests that.

Testing the entering force     IS    testing the exiting force.  They are equal.  This is assumed /
well know in these conditions / goes without saying.

If it really does require 1/4 the energy to leave and the amount of energy gained as it approaches, that is very easy see with a simple test. Not necessarily the amount of energy, but the fact that there would be a difference in the amount.

It requires a lesser peak force for the plate to exit away from one magnet
than is needed in order to exit from between the two magnets. 
                           This is what he is demonstrating.

The difference is there, only when there is one of the magnets instead of two.

What is being demonstrated, is that there is three to four time less peak force
present when only one magnet is used. One would reasonably expect that the force
difference would be two times less.... but not three to four times less !
Tinman clearly demonstrates that it is between 3 and four times less.

In this kind of configuration, I would expect that the total energy is 3 to 4 times less
as well.  Only more test will tell.

Also, for further understanding, his test is using magnets on the outside, as well as magnets on the inside.

Be more clear please. Your statment is less than worthless.  Watch the videos again,
and try to not waste other peoples time by asking question you should allread have
the answers to, if you studied the videos and posts.

But his pulse motor appears to replace the outer magnets with his coil.. (electro magnet)... Does he still have outer magnets somewhere when he is using his coil and I am not seeing it in his video?

The pulse motor only has two electromagnets on the outside, two stator magnets on the inside
and four "torque" plates.

I get it, that you don't understand the videos or the posts either.  I recommend that you
read, watch and study them before your next post.

[Floor]

@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJM00HAbuKw

@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQtJTodw3QQ

                      floor

[captainpecan]

You are correct.
When there are two magnets  (one inside the plate and one outside)
There is not less force to leave the field.  It is exactly the same, entering and or leaving.

When there is one magnet  (inside only) you are correct also.
There is not less force to leave the field.  It is exactly the same, entering or leaving.

Testing the entering force     IS    testing the exiting force.  They are equal.  This is assumed /
well know in these conditions / goes without saying.

It requires a lesser peak force for the plate to exit away from one magnet
than is needed in order to exit from between the two magnets. 
                           This is what he is demonstrating.

The difference is there, only when there is one of the magnets instead of two.

What is being demonstrated, is that there is three to four time less peak force
present when only one magnet is used. One would reasonably expect that the force
difference would be two times less.... but not three to four times less !
Tinman clearly demonstrates that it is between 3 and four times less.

In this kind of configuration, I would expect that the total energy is 3 to 4 times less
as well.  Only more test will tell.

Thank you for that response. So it is how I was seeing it. However what he was trying to show in his test was what was confusing me. I misunderstood and thought he was trying to say it left with less force and I simply asked for clarification because I was missing something. I went to his channel amd watched all 3 videos multiple times before I posted asking, but I was misunderstanding. Thank you for clearing it up.

Be more clear please. Your statment is less than worthless.  Watch the videos again,
and try to not waste other peoples time by asking question you should allread have
the answers to, if you studied the videos and posts.

And that kind of a response is exactly why I stopped following this forum years ago. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to be such a condescending ass to someone simply trying to understand and asking questions. I was under the impression that this is what this thread was created for. Uncalled for and exactly what runs people away from helping us find new concepts by sharing thoughts amd knowledge. I hope it is rare you respond in that manner considering all you have contributed to the forum.