Feeding Hydrogen into engine tips !

[sulake]

Last summer I tested a small electrolysis cell that produced quite little amount HHO. No difference in the engine sound/tone was noticed when I powered the cell. So I attached it to my -87 Mazda 929 2.0i. No pulseing or nothing, just straight to battery via a relay.
After a 5 days the engine broke, bearing plate between the crankshaft and piston rod melted, because there was no oil! 
No oil leakage either, so it was weird...
Now I saw a comment on YouTube that if the ignition is not retarded, this will happen. HHO will be ignited and burned before the piston get's to the top dead center, trying to push the piston backwards so to speak... This is true ofcourse, cause the HHO burns much faster than gasoline, that must be ignited early.

But, is it true that this (not retarding ignition) can cause the oil to burn/consume much faster
This was quite expensive experiment since machining cost ~400€ and other parts ~150€.... 
I will make bigger cell with Mayer pulsing power source soon, this time I'll adjust the ignition
Some pics ...
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[sulake]

@joemumu

Here is a calculator that can be used I think. It tells that flow rate is 4.27 litres/minute (261 in^3 / minute) or (0.151 ft^3 / minute)
I'm not sure but this is what it says, if the pipe length is 100mm (3.93in). If the length increases, flow rate goes down.
Here is the calculator:
http://www.pipeflowcalculations.com/airflow/index.htm

[vdubdipr]

oh sorry,  ive seen the same w/ the john deere and also wanted to do that. so i built a cell that would hold up to pressure because i couldnt think of a way to put it under pressure later, my cell can hold 135 psi but i got it up to 27 psi and then thought if a diesel engine uses heat from compressed air at 145 ish psi to ignite diesel gas i should stop so i did,  figuring hydroxy is alot more unstable. i just havent had the money to create that much hho since then, because well, the walleyes are running right now so that where all my spending money goes..fishing 

[joemumu]

@sulake

Thank you for verifying those numbers.  It seems as though it would take almost 5 liters/min to keep a 5HP engine running at idle.  If these numbers are correct it seems as though we'll be running HHO supplementing petroleum use at the moment.  To me, this is still a viable add on, as Zerofossilfuel reported a 20% increase in gas mileage.  If I recall correctly he was producing 1.74 l/min with what seemed to be a fairly compact fuel cell.  If you haven't seen his videos on youtube, I suggest you check them out.  He has amassed a great deal of knowledge and shares data freely with us all.
Sorry to hear about your engine.  IMHO I would be skeptical of the damage being blamed on the HHO alone.  5 days doesn't seem like much time to do that damage.  Is your engine computer controlled?  The condition you described would cause preignition as you said.  The computer would retard the timing with the signal it gets from the knock sensor.  If your vehicle is equipped with O2 sensor(s) the signal to the computer would make it richen the fuel to compensate for the extra O2 it sensed.
The no oil thing is really goofy.  How many miles/km does the engine have?   Has anyone seen this before?
There is a wealth of information on this site.  How long have you had your current fuel cell in operation?  Or how long would you estimate it has been under power and producing HHO?  I'm sure someone will be able to help you figure out why your HHO production seems low as well as any other issues you might encounter.  It takes some time to condition the plates.  They seem to produce more HHO after extended use.  Good luck.

[Jonny Q]

Now I saw a comment on YouTube that if the ignition is not retarded, this will happen. HHO will be ignited and burned before the piston get's to the top dead center, trying to push the piston backwards so to speak... This is true ofcourse, cause the HHO burns much faster than gasoline, that must be ignited early.

<a href="http://premium.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1195962_wjfdv/Chapter10_Automotive_Systems.pdf"> Chapter 10_Automotive_Systems <a/> check out pages 10-55 thru 10-57 it explains well why you need to delay your ignition. i find it hard to say that if your running a HHO and Gasoline mix to blame it on the HHO itself, trying to run straight HHO in a engine without adjusting your timing would surely ruin an engine quickly.

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After a 5 days the engine broke, bearing plate between the crankshaft and piston rod melted, because there was no oil!Ã, 
No oil leakage either, so it was weird...

@sulake, it is possible that the increased and more rapid combustion damaged a piston ring, especially if your engine was igniting the fuel just before or at TDC (top dead center) did your car burn some oil and produce smoke once you added the cell or before you added the cell? did you notice any oil in the radiator fluid? It is also possible that the added combustion blew a seal or gasket and leaked the oil onto the ground while you were driving it, but if your engine didn't leak the oil out onto the ground and you weren't burning it then something doesn't match up, cause 3 or so quarts of oil doesn't just disappearÃ,