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Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world

Started by ramset, March 14, 2022, 11:07:24 AM

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onepower

rakarskiy
QuoteThe principle of operation of a synchronous generator is based on the principle of electromagnetic induction. A rotor with magnetic poles rotates a rotating magnetic field, which, closing the stator winding, induces an EMF in it. When the generator is connected to a circuit with a load. it is a power source.
In the asynchronous machines under consideration (above), the rotor had a rotation speed different from the rotation speed of the stator magnetic field, then in synchronous these frequencies are equal to each other.

I would agree however I don't think that's the question on most peoples mind.

In synchronous and asynchronous machines the rotors magnetic field is changing through a physical motion/rotation to induce the stator. The physical motion of the rotor is the energy input which is directly proportional to the motion of the electrons in the stator which is the energy output. Here we can easily track the energy, the energy as physical motion in equals the energy of the electrons motion in the circuit out.

However with a stationary rotor the only supposed option left is transformer theory relating to mutual induction. That is, the total energy of the electrons into the primary winding input is proportional to the total energy of the electrons out of secondary winding output. It doesn't matter if we have more transformer coils, there orientation or whether the magnetic fields are rotating the same transformer rules apply.

As we can see it's problematic because regardless of whether the rotor and it's magnetic field moves or not the input/output energy are always assumed to be equal. Ergo, if we move the rotor generator rules apply and we don't move the rotor transformer rules apply.

There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?. That is, if the electrons on the output moved more then some part of the input must have moved more in order for energy to be conserved. I think that's the real question most people want answered.

AC

Ufopolitics

Quote from: onepower on December 16, 2022, 02:46:48 AM
rakarskiy
I would agree however I don't think that's the question on most peoples mind.

In synchronous and asynchronous machines the rotors magnetic field is changing through a physical motion/rotation to induce the stator. The physical motion of the rotor is the energy input which is directly proportional to the motion of the electrons in the stator which is the energy output. Here we can easily track the energy, the energy as physical motion in equals the energy of the electrons motion in the circuit out.

However with a stationary rotor the only supposed option left is transformer theory relating to mutual induction. That is, the total energy of the electrons into the primary winding input is proportional to the total energy of the electrons out of secondary winding output. It doesn't matter if we have more transformer coils, there orientation or whether the magnetic fields are rotating the same transformer rules apply.

As we can see it's problematic because regardless of whether the rotor and it's magnetic field moves or not the input/output energy are always assumed to be equal. Ergo, if we move the rotor generator rules apply and we don't move the rotor transformer rules apply.

There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?. That is, if the electrons on the output moved more then some part of the input must have moved more in order for energy to be conserved. I think that's the real question most people want answered.

AC

Hello AC,

It always has been like that...we have everything in front of our eyes, but we turn our heads in the opposite direction...

A very simple example: The Maglev Train.

A Maglev Train can travel at speeds up to 375 miles per hour...by just having sets of coils which "move" a Virtual Magnetic Field, carrying a very heavy Mass weight, including all passengers onboard...
Now, the rails do not "physically" move, nor have any type of gears, nor chains with hooks to drag train along the tracks...
Maglev trains have basically two main systems, one where the Magnetic Field Coils are in charge to slightly levitate train above tracks (making train "lighter" as serving as magnetic bearings)...and a second system to propulse train and accelerate it up to and above 300 mph...Then it also have the stability control systems, but not important on this example.

Then there are people posting on other Threads that Magnetic Fields does not accelerate mass...then going on details about an electron spin field...??!!

I could have cited other examples, as it is an AC Induction motor...or a BLDC Motor...but I believe a maglev train is easier to understand as it travels in a linear fashion...

On another note, a plain and simple Transformer, does not have a Virtual Rotating Field structural design, just a basic mass of steel with just two or three coils wrapped around, no sequenced coils traveling field on spacetime...so, it does not apply based on induction linkage for these type of Generators we are discussing here..

Cheers

Ufopolitics
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kolbacict

Quote from: onepower on December 16, 2022, 02:46:48 AM
There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?.
I already spoke here, but no one heard me.
Extra motion for rotating feld could give a magnetic speed-up gearbox that is used for mechanical transmissions. For this offer alone, Robert should have taken me into his company and provided me with free beer and lobsters for life. 8)

bistander

Quote from: onepower on December 16, 2022, 02:46:48 AM
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There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?
...
AC

What motion?

Nothing moves on Holcomb's device, no physical part, just moving charges input, traveling magnetic flux (RMF), and moving charges output.

Yes, like a transformer, but transformers use varying flux magnitude, and Holcomb's device uses flux displacement. Obviously a displacement of flux, or of a field, requires time, similar to a change in flux magnitude, or field strength. Some argu they're the same thing. I believe they are different, but have the same effect and obey superposition principle. Induced voltage results from either or both.
bi

SolarLab

Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 16, 2022, 08:34:09 AM
Hello AC,

It always has been like that...we have everything in front of our eyes, but we turn our heads in the opposite direction...

A very simple example: The Maglev Train.

A Maglev Train can travel at speeds up to 375 miles per hour...by just having sets of coils which "move" a Virtual Magnetic Field, carrying a very heavy Mass weight, including all passengers onboard...
Now, the rails do not "physically" move, nor have any type of gears, nor chains with hooks to drag train along the tracks...
Maglev trains have basically two main systems, one where the Magnetic Field Coils are in charge to slightly levitate train above tracks (making train "lighter" as serving as magnetic bearings)...and a second system to propulse train and accelerate it up to and above 300 mph...Then it also have the stability control systems, but not important on this example.

Then there are people posting on other Threads that Magnetic Fields does not accelerate mass...then going on details about an electron spin field...??!!

I could have cited other examples, as it is an AC Induction motor...or a BLDC Motor...but I believe a maglev train is easier to understand as it travels in a linear fashion...

On another note, a plain and simple Transformer, does not have a Virtual Rotating Field structural design, just a basic mass of steel with just two or three coils wrapped around, no sequenced coils traveling field on spacetime...so, it does not apply based on induction linkage for these type of Generators we are discussing here..

Cheers

Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics - great post!

F.Y.I.
LinGen (or other) Fabrication Approach

Fabricating a LinGen Rotor/Stator from "Soft Magnetic Materials" can be difficult and expensive. Wire Coils, MOSFET Drivers
and a Controller (STM32 Microprocessor) are relatively straight forward and easily done by one "skilled-in-the-art."

As seen in this video [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSN5Yz1Xq1Q ] using a 20W hobby Diode Laser a 0.004" - 0.006"
thick steel sheet of shim stock can be cut in 2 passes at 6mm per second (?).

Thin Magnetic Metals with a variety of characteristics are available, for example: 
[ https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/precision-thin-metals/ ] .

So, connect the dots...

Another approach using the Diode Laser is "Laser Sintering." {a future subject} 

Also NOTE that a company just announced a pre-order for a +33W Diode Laser for about $1200US - Atomstack X30
[ https://www.atomstack.net/products/atomstack-x30-pro-160w-6-core-laser-engraving-and-cutting-machine?variant=43713588396282 ]

Again - connect the dots.... Draw out your Stator/Rotor design, determine the cost/performance specs, purchase the amount
of Thin Magnetic Metal sheets required, Laser Cut them, stack them (laminate) , add the Wire Coils, MOSFETS, Driver Boards
and Control Processor, turn the crank (so to speak) and see what you've got.

A Gauss/Tesla Meter helps [ https://www.ebay.com/itm/154023934198 ]

Recall - this approach is geared towards developing a "Course" that can be easily implemented by
educational institutes so the cost and ease-of-use are primary concerns.

The above information is nothing more than suggestions and observations - nothing else!

Good Luck and have a Great Weekend!  (This info may be added to the OUR thread as it progresses)

SL