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Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world

Started by ramset, March 14, 2022, 11:07:24 AM

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SolarLab

Quote from: rakarskiy on July 04, 2023, 01:10:49 AM
SolarLab,

It is impossible that in 1931 Tesla electric car had AC motor, moreover asynchronous. If it was so, then it would be no less a discovery, which I would appreciate more than his high-voltage transformer generating high voltage potential. It seems that you have no idea what is an asynchronous motor, which should be switched into different modes of operation, dramatically changing its speed and so on. I would really like to see that controller without which asynchronous motor on electric car is impossible.

For that other sources for electric car on board (electromechanical and static) history of that time and later knows enough, but the blind do not want to know it, it is more profitable to stay in the illusion and feed it to the flock of sheep.

https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2021/02/mystery-nikola-teslas-electric-car.html

Rakarskiy,

I meant the "Elon Musk" (recent - original) Tesla Car - The modern one. Sorry for the confusion.

The original "Nicola Tesla" unfortunately, I'm sure, is enjoying another dimension... (looking down laughing at us all, probably!)

Thanks for the correction! I'll try to be more clarifying in the future; so no one gets too confused, without watching the video.

SL

I think you have no idea about the first "modern Tesla Car (Elon Musk)" or how it worked. And many know how asynchronous motor
works - not sure which Asynchronous Motor your refering to, however. Maybe you're the one who is blind, or just confused!

SolarLab

BTW, if you check - I said "Induction Motor" was in the original modern Tesla (Elon Musk car)... FFS

What the Hell is wrong with you guys?

I can appreciate you all wanted to be first with an Excess Energy (FE) device, me too, but we
were not - so get over it and move on
!

Develop, design, fabricate and field more devices and/or enhance the one that we now have!

Don't sit there and stew about it - it's water under the bridge...


rakarskiy

The first thing Musk did when creating his electric car was to go to Joe Flynn. Where, representatives of the elite controllers, rudely pointed him to the proper place.
He equipped the first model with a pair of asynchronous motors, later abandoned the idea. The first models had about 60-70 kWh of power.
Already the latest versions of the Tesla have motors with a magnetic rotor. So installing an asynchronous motor on a Tesla is no feat or innovation at all.
Just look at the controller and the power circuit to see how ridiculous, maybe, the claim that Nikola Tesla's car had a 60 kW asynchronous motor is. And everything that happened with the modern Tesla from Ilona Musk confirms this.



SolarLab

Quote from: rakarskiy on July 04, 2023, 04:54:57 AM
The first thing Musk did when creating his electric car was to go to Joe Flynn. Where, representatives of the elite controllers, rudely pointed him to the proper place.
He equipped the first model with a pair of asynchronous motors, later abandoned the idea. The first models had about 60-70 kWh of power.
Already the latest versions of the Tesla have motors with a magnetic rotor. So installing an asynchronous motor on a Tesla is no feat or innovation at all.
Just look at the controller and the power circuit to see how ridiculous, maybe, the claim that Nikola Tesla's car had a 60 kW asynchronous motor is. And everything that happened with the modern Tesla from Ilona Musk confirms this.

Although I'm not a fan of Wikipedia; the Tesla Roadster (first generation) is covered in detail there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(first_generation)

Some tech info from MIT:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2008/08/19/219217/tesla-roadster-2/

A quote from the MIT article -

1 . Electric Motor
Most electric cars have used direct-current electric motors that rely on permanent magnets.
The motor in Tesla's Roadster doesn't have any magnets; instead, it uses stacks of patterned
metal plates and wires that generate electromagnetic fields. Such motors,
called alternating-current induction motors, were first advocated in the late 19th century by
Nikola Tesla, for whom the company is named. The company picked AC induction motors
because they're simple, reliable, and efficient at a wide range of speeds.

2. Transmission
The first version of the Roadster featured a two-speed transmission, the first gear for quick starts
(0 to 60 miles per hour in under four seconds) and the second gear for top speeds
(over 120 miles per hour). But problems with that transmission delayed production.
Thanks to a redesigned motor and higher-performance transistors that deliver more power, it has
been replaced by a single-speed transmission.

3. Power Electronics Module
The motor does two things: it converts electricity from the battery into torque for acceleration, and it
helps slow the car during braking, converting some of the car's kinetic energy into electricity that's
stored in the battery. A computer chip called the digital motor controller regulates the shuttling of
power between the motor and battery. It can deliver acceleration so fast it hurts: Tesla's engineers
had to dial back the power to achieve a smoother start.

No mention of Joe Flynn or elite controllers, nor dual (pair) of asynchronous motors.

From the Technical Manual (CD):

ENGINE SPECS - AC induction (248 HP)
Power:182.4 KW @ 4500-8500 RPM
248 HP @ 4500-8500 RPM
245 BHP @ 4500-8500 RPM
Torque:273 lb-ft @ 0-4500 RPM
370 Nm @ 0-4500 RPM
Fuel System:53 kWh 375 V lithium-ion battery
Fuel:Electric 

rakarskiy

Just a quote:

QuoteThe inverter/electric motor combination was first used on the General Motors EV1 electric car. Later, Italian physicist Giuseppe Cocconi created an improved version of this transmission, which appeared on the AC Propulsion Tzero. But this car did not reach serial production. But the future co-founder of Tesla Motors, Martin Eberhard, who founded the company in honor of the great physicist Nikola Tesla, together with Mark Tarpenning, later joined by Ilon Musk, turned his attention to this electric car.

Depending on the model, Tesla cars are equipped with one or two electric motors. For example, the rear-drive Tesla Model S is equipped with a 3-phase, 4-pole induction motor (top right). Inverter drive electronics (left). The 9.73:1 gearbox and rear differential (center) are assembled in a single oil-filled part at the rear of the car. The rear wheels are driven directly by this unit.

The car has no clutch or transmission (no gear shift, no Neutral mode). You can start the engine "forward" to move forward and "reverse" to move backward. Power ~400Vdc comes from the battery pack through two heavy orange cables going to the inverter, where it converts the electricity to 3-phase alternating current.

All-wheel-drive Tesla Model S models have a similar front-wheel drive with a second asynchronous motor and 8.28:1 gearbox, which drives the front wheels directly.

The Tesla Model 3 uses this motor on the rear wheels:  https://1gai.ru/uploads/cache/thumbs/750/8/f/750_0_8f7e03ab7d3bd95606cffbc03ce5592f.webp

The induction motor is of course a terrific motor. But it's not perfect. The Tesla motor uses an expensive and difficult-to-make rotor made of copper. And due to the nature of asynchronous motors, the rotor tends to heat up and even overheat. Heat is wasted energy (known as i 2 r loss). In an electric motor, this makes a huge difference. The asynchronous electric motor is also not as efficient at low speeds, unlike other motors. Therefore, this technology is open to new solutions that would lead to more efficient electric motors as well as lower production costs.