Just another Don Smith thread

[nix85]

That is exactly how i tried to explain this years ago and i knew you're gonna give this simplistic "explanation". Never did you notice that two cannot be directly compared.

Look at his element chart below, you can clearly see there are 8 tones in his octave and 9th is first repeated, second harmonic. This is a scale of 8 tones, there is no question about it and it does not correspond to musical scale which has 7 tones and 8th is second harmonic of the 1st.

However, if you look at the whole diagram of which below is a crop, you can see that while his first 6 octaves have 8 elements/tones, 7th and 8th octave have 18, 9th has 32 and 10th 19, so this cannot even be compared to musical scale which has same number of tones per octave, of course. We may make a similar logarithmic spiral based on exponents of 7 to visualize the increase of density of matter toward higher planes as given by Theosophists.

Âdî                           1         1
Anupâdaka               49        49
Âtmâ                        49²      2,401
Buddhi                      49³      117,649
Manas (mental)          49⁴      5,764,800
Kâma (astal)              49⁵      282,475,249
Sthûla (physical)        49⁶      13,841,287,201

BTW Russell was not the only one who used 8 tones/colors, one contactee called Norman Paulsen in his book The Christ consciousness chapter The Genesis of Creation speaks about 8 radiant colors of the spectrum, you can read it here starting on page 290. https://archive.org/details/christconsciousn00paul_0/page/290/mode/1up

This division however is very rare, almost all schools of thought, yogi Masters, whole Hindu/Vedic cosmology, for example great Meher Baba, as well as the best contactee cases like Rahma Group Sixto Paz, Ummo, Oscar Magocsi etc talk of 7 Cosmic Planes and all division is always 7 (and 12), not 8. Of course, again, there are 7 colors, 7 musical tones, 7 astral shells around planets.....These are just different ways of looking at the same thing.

As for the rest, i got his books, i know exactly from where you are quoting him, these are basics that all is made in pairs....well not the primordial substance, get this into your head, prime matter is non-polar, NOT created in pairs. This substance becomes polarized by spin... It itself has no opposites, it just IS. If you want to give it an opposite then it's opposite is the Spirit Itself which has no form or substance.

This is why it is possible to have music BEYOND Mind (TIME), now figure that one. As great yogis speak of Shabd from Sachkhand, the sound emerging from the Soul itself, NOT in time it rings always in the now, in all of us. They describe it like combination of large and small bells, most beautiful sounds, never exactly repeating.

Russell is right that 9 is the universal boundary, 10 is completion, return to 1. This is also reflected in number of chakras Man has which is 18.

6 chakras of Brahmanda (universal egg) and SachKhanda - going upward above head
6 chakras of Anda (astral-sensory planes) - going horizontal behind the eyes
6 chakras of Pindar (physical body)

9 is a spiral for a reason, proton is 1,836 times heavier than electron for a reason, again 99.

As our planetary neighbours told Richard T. Miller "9 is the key to mathematical science of magnetism" in line with Rodin's vortex math which is actually borrowed from Oahspe.........

Occult societies are for a reason obsessed with 9, 7, 33 and 11 - Biff from BTTF1 lives at 1809 Mason Street, whole BTTF franchise is packed with 9 and 11 everywhere.... Who's interested here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE3MWuX4ztA All best movies are like this, for example last one i checked for this was Truman show, EVERYWHERE 9s, from the very start, 9 on the TV, reflector falls from the sky on which it say "Sirius (9 canis major)".....

I am not dissing him one bit, i always held him high among the occult sources and promoted him back in the day. I knew for many years, very possibly before you, how good Russell's gift to mankind is.

All i am saying is that his 8 tone octave does not correspond to 7 tone octaves of sound and light and interdimensional condensing factor of 49....which, again, does not mean Russell is wrong, it's just a different perspective.

Overall his work is very similar to work of Keely, vortexial cosmology of Oahspe, Viktor Schauberger, Charles Webster Leadbeater and others. He is not set apart from them, they are all giving slightly different perspective of the same physics of Oneness (aka Uniphysics) based on counterrotating golden (phi) spirals and neutral center where Intelligence resides.....even the planetary orbits follow the phi ratio, i found this out myself without hearing it from anyone...and phi ratio is based on numerical value 9 and 7, two most essential numbers.. diatonic scale where A is 432Hz almost all tone frequencies have numerical value of 9, sadly Nazi 440Hz is still a standard....

All these are as important and valid from their respective perspective.

And all the stuff i talked of before extracted mostly from Theosophy, work of Keely and Hollingshead and contactees Zirbes and Tassel. You have no idea how valuable THEIR gift is to Man, you called all that SF. You will learn one day and these posts will be here to remind you how limited and false your views were.

[nix85]

A little bit from Oahspe telling few important things well known in occult circles, that light we see is created in the atmosphere and that there are various strata, plateaus of the vortex surrounding the Earth, these are the 7 astral shells i talked about.

Earth, Needles in the Atmosphere, and Plateaus.

When Jehovih condensed the earth, and it became firm and crusted over, there rose up from the earth heat and moisture, which continue to this day. But Jehovih limited the ascent of the substances going upward, and the boundary of the limit of moisture was the same as the clouds that float in the air; and the heat was of similar ascent. And while the moisture and heat rise upward, they are met by the etheric substance of the vortex of the earth, and the moisture and the gases of the air assume the form of needles. On the side of the earth facing the sun the needles are polarized and acting, driving forth, which is called light; but on the face of the earth opposite from the sun the needles are in confusion, and this is called darkness. Jehovih said: So that man may comprehend the structure of the belt that holds the earth, I will give him a sign high up in the air. And Jehovih caused the vapor in the firmament to be frozen and fall to the earth, white, and it is called snow. For the snowflake shows the matrix in which it is molded. Jehovih said: Let this be a sign also, that even as heat and moisture rise up from the earth, so are there representatives of all things on the earth which have also evaporated upward, and all such things rise up to the level of density that is like themselves, every one to its own level, and they take their places in the strata of the vortex. These are called plateaus; or spheres, for they surround the whole earth. Some of them are ten miles high, some a thousand, some a hundred thousand or more miles. And all these spheres that rotate and travel with the earth are called atmospherea, or lower heavens.

As I made a limit to the ascent of clouds, so I made a limit to the places of the different kinds of substances in atmospherea; the more subtle and potent to the rim, and the more dense and impotent nearer to the earth.

According to the condition of these different plateaus in atmospherea, whether they are near the earth or high above, |65| so shall the spirit of man take its place in the first heaven; |66| according to his diet, desires and behavior, so shall he dwell in spirit on the plateau to which he has adapted himself during his earth life.

Earth and Plateaus of Lower Heaven. E, Etherea; B, periphery of the earth's vortex. This line was called by the ancients the Bridge of Chinvat.* All within this area is called Atmospherea. The center circle is the earth; land mass is black; O, the ocean. 1, 2, 3, represent atmospherean plateaus on and near the earth. The O, O, O, with a line through it, represent atmospherean oceans.

*Note that to make the earth, etc., apparent, this Chinvat line is not to scale. That is, were Chinvat drawn in actual proportion to the shown size of the earth, the B line would be drawn some 30 of earth's diameters distant from the center of the earth.

[nix85]

Something interesting about 7 colors of the rainbow, namely

Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet

Below is a table with frequencies for each. You can see that the frequency of red is around 400THz, ultraviolet, next "color" after violet begins at 800THz, so here we have a perfect second harmonic of red, the first tone of the next octave. Clearly, colors respect the 7 tonal division of an octave.

[forest]

interesting interesting.... how is L2 made ? Is there a secret about it ?

[nix85]

@nix

yes I get it. u have superiority complex and great need to tell folks like me they are wrong.
and that u r right. u make it abundantly clear.

no need to kick a dead horse. 

Suuuure, i got superiority complex, not you...

"I CAN limit to single perspective b/c God is single perspective of duality.
I stand on the fulcrum and watch every1 go back-n-forth on the see-saw.  "

"I would love to get into this more detail, but there is almost no one I can talk to about this. everyone throws old theories at me like dogma and here am just trying to impart a different way of thinking or looking at the thing b/c 125 year old theories of electricity just don't cut it."

u attach picture of WR periodic chart from 1926.
look at chart in Atomic Suicide?
its much more accurate.
Universal One chart has 10 octaves, but 9 octaves is limit.

We are not talking about octaves, but tones per octave. 9 is the limit, i said i agree with Russel on that cause i confirmed it in other sources, but it must be correlated with septenary division we observe in all on all scales.

what is prime matter?
all matter is divided light compressed into visibility.
if prime matter, as u say, is not created in pairs then it is STILL LIGHT.
or in WR terms Still Magnetic Light.
it is not substance but pure Mind.

any 'substance' is only motion which is transitory illusion.

To start from the end, it is substance it is spirit quantized but before i elaborate on that....pure Mind is not still, Mind is never still, it thinks unceasingly always, THIS is what creates TIME. If it were still for an instant it would seize to exist (as Ishwar Puri correctly put it). Mind is always in time, Mind IS time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVwGHsqIMIQ

That only motion exists is a common WIDE-SPREAD notion in all occult schools long preceding Russell, if you opened the chapter i linked multiple times you would read....

Pure energy, in all its modifications, is absolutely unknown to man. What men call heat, gravitation, light, electricity, and magnetism are the grosser attributes attending alterations in an unknown, attenuated, highly developed force producer. They are results, not causes. The real force, an unreached energy, is now flooding all space, pervading all materials. Everywhere there exists an infinite sea of motion absolute.

[...]

Perhaps you can accept now that instead of light, heat, electricity, magnetism, and gravitation being really modifications of force they are disturbances."

"Disturbances of what?"

"Disturbances of motion."

"Motion of what?"

"Motion of itself, pure and simple."

.....What you forget is that for motion/waves to manifest there must be a medium, a substance, and substance is an infinite ocean of quantized consciousness. Spirit, which has no form, no substance, in state of no-time, no-space, splits itself into many little points of awareness. There is still no Mind (time-space), but there is "something". This something is satchitananda, truth, consciosuness, bliss. In this "ocean" of bliss trillions of individualized souls 'dance' eternally. From this state of what might be equated to ultimate Paradise, Self desires to experience duality, a contrast to appreciate the ultimate state better. So it creates Mind which is the opposite of unity, a cutting knife based on interaction of the opposites, polarity. So into this "ocean" of timeless/spaceless awareness it projects opposing wave fronts, creating interference patterns which become the time-space Cosmic Forcefield, and polarity from unity is born.  And first polarity is not the Mind itself, but polarity between unity of Soul and polarity of Mind.

it IS a different way of looking at music, but nobody said 7 tone scale is totally correct.
every musician knows u can have split tones in b/w full tones.
and with one string u can have whole octave of tones.

7 tone scale is totally correct in a sense that these 7 sounds are most harmonious, the 5 black keys are flats/sharps and are not harmonious with the 7, they represent discord, they are black for a reason, evil if you like (ignorance of the law).

BTW I am a musician, i wrote about that already but i don't think i posted it in the end, the fact that full scale has 12 tones, 5 tones, 2 semitones (white piano keys) and 5 sharps/flats (black keys). I already tried to reconcile Russell's model using this, obviously, they do not match. You might take 1 of the sharps/flats to have 8 tones but then you have something between diatonic and chromatic scale. Also, as seen in his diagram his higher octaves have much more than 8 tones, so this is not directly comparable to musical scales which always have same number of tones per octave.

WR was Cosmic Illuminate. His Illumination was 39 days and nights. Jesus Christ's Illumination was 40 days and nights.
Oahspe was b4 Russell, but he was not Illuminate.
full-on Cosmic Consciousness is a lot more rare than ppl think.
if 1 doesn't have full-on cosmic illumination then only pieces are gleaned, not the whole.
WR saw Universe as 1 whole and to me that is difference.

I know Russell's story, probably long before you, and his way of listening to Nature.

Oahspe is not a he, Oahspe means ""sky, earth (corpor) and spirit", it is the invaluable source of information given by etherian hosts, if you think Russell was more illuminated than them, you are foolish.

Cosmic Consciousness is in everyone, everyone can peek inside and he shall know the Truth. That is the ultimate wisdom, divisions are for the Mind, illusion.

Again, you are setting him apart, all great Yogis, Masters, Seers of old and new, all of us with eyes to see see the universe as one whole, a dream, maya, illusion.

If you were not so transfixed on him only, if you for example studied Bentov i linked before you would find his cosmic illumination is on par or greater than Russell (it is not a competition, just the opposite, it is your setting him apart from all others that makes me tell you he is not the greatest, he is one of the seers), you would see the actual SCALE OF CREATION and that it is based on division of 49 as Theosophists said.

I'll summarize here the scale of Creation as seen by Bentov.

Our universe is shaped like a toroidal egg with black/white hole at the center, circulation of matter from the center and around the toroid creates illusion of linear time...but not to get into mechanics here, 49 such egg-cosmoses on a DNA like spiral/strand make up one supracosmic CELL with interference pattern in shape of Aleph, the first letter of Hebrew alphabet projecting white light which is modulated by two lower centers, one golden (LOVE) and another blue (WILL), combination of the two creating the creation which is pink (inverse of green, well, actually inverse is magenta which is pinkish). 15 such cells are joined in a double tetrahedron structure 1 then 3 then 7 then 3 then 1 (fine structure constant 1/137 - constant of constants), untold number of such double tetrahedron structures make up one even larger supra supra cosmic cell 60 layers deep which is surrounded by untold number of similar cells and this is the first COSMIC PLANE out of 7. The next 5 were not described but we are told nesting continues in similar manner, consciousness being modular, larger one comprising the smaller ones. Seventh plane is described as one gigantic, ever growing, expanding CELL (sphere) of Manifest Creation (and yet no matter how large and complex, it will always be but a dot in the infinite void). On closer inspection Bentov saw that the surface of this sphere is made of 4 layers of rotating bars, holographic interference patterns in shape of Sanskrit alphabet with the 4th layer, the most outer one being comprised of ओम् Om, symbol of Cosmic Consciousness. As the sphere expands these penetrate the Void which makes them rotate and act as transducers creating sound, various frequencies which in turn interact to produce other frequencies/harmonics, the words of Creation. At the throne of creation each sees himself in deep meditative state and by merging with yourself one realizes he was always the void, the formless, timeless Spirit.

https://youtu.be/KMbeK_6ATxQ?t=4157

Or cosmology of Martinus, another great seer of modern times.............

yeah 7 colors in rainbow but at Yellow u have centered by WHITE and this is wave-field boundary where axis of symmetry exits so yellow is like 5th of scale and is a double tone.

White is not part of the spectrum, white is a SUM of all colors of light, just like black is a sum of all colors of darkness (just as substantial). You can't just throw in some nonsense to fit your position. If we are to correlate Russell's work with other cosmic models it must be done INTELLIGENTLY, not like a cat swinging it's tail.

our Sun is yellow white and almost true sphere, so it is fusion of Red and Blue hemispheres.

Sun we see is white alright, not slightest trace of yellow in it. It may appear yellow when rising/setting due to thicker atmosphere at such an angle. What you are forgetting is that light you see is CREATED LOCALLY IN THE EARTH'S VORTEX. I wrote already that sun does NOT emit herzian waves, if it does it is insignificant compared to it's primary output which are 33 types of VITAL ENERGY, this is the other spectrum i talked about. To this spectrum belong all the 'exotic' phenomena, life, vitality, gravity/antigravity, thoughts, emotions etc.