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Overunity Machines Forum



Maybe possible idea for duplicating effect of Holcomb and others

Started by citfta, August 19, 2022, 04:00:12 PM

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Dog-One

Quote from: Dog-One on September 29, 2022, 04:36:11 PM
Something practical I can actually build would have 24 segments, giving us 15 degrees resolution and six output phases.  I think that will be a sweet spot and I might actually be able to find a core that is close and if not, I'll have to find someone with a waterjet cutter and hope I can find some electrical steel for them to cut.

A quick sketch of what I'm thinking.  Outside diameter is ten inches for the moment.  As Professor Eric Laithwaite mentioned, electro-magnetic machines gain efficiency with larger size, which is fine as long as I don't need a crane to work on the thing.

Also discovered something called Cold Rolled Motor Lamination (CRML) – ASTM A726 that should be suitable for a prototype.
https://www.laminationspecialties.com/electrical-steel/

Not certain heat treatment would really be necessary for a prototype.  If it works and I have the desire to squeeze another 10% out of it, I can always get the second set of laminates annealed.   ;)

Ufopolitics

Quote from: Jimboot on September 29, 2022, 05:38:30 PM
Carroll my reasoning for alternating coil polarities isn't anywhere near as Sophisticated. It's just that is what his original vid showed the rotor doing.

Hello there Jim!!

I now can see what you meant by 'alternating polarities'...when you show that image...however, you must realize -on his setup- that HES is actually reversing Four coils at a time per angle shifting...so, I made this image for you, to see what I mean.
1-So, on upper left circled coil, which is blue now, it shifts to South (Red)
2-The upper circle Right coil, which is Red (South) now, becomes North (Blue)
3-The lower Blue (N) Right Coil in the circle becomes South (Red)
4-The lower Left Coil (now Red/South) becomes Blue/North.

And so, that operation (which takes place at unisom) displaces an angular rotation of the Four Poles, following the two arrows direction.

Point about this type of switching, is that ALWAYS, there are at least Three(3) Coils next to each others, which are constantly maintaining the same main polarity during angular transitions...this way the main fields never collapse.

Now, on the other hand, if you just reverse polarities to full Groups of coils...it would not displace the fields...it would just "flash them" in alternated polarities without a rotary pattern.

Regards

Ufopolitics
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Ufopolitics

Quote from: citfta on September 29, 2022, 01:03:45 PM

In regards to the idea of pulsing the coils with opposite polarity I am wondering why you or Jimboot think that is necessary.  When you pulse a coil with DC one side of the coil is going to be North and the other side is going to be South.  That is why in a motor half of the coil is on one side of the rotor and the other half is on the opposite side of the rotor.  This allows both polarities to act on the rotor.  However depending on the arrangement of the coils applying alternating polarities may be beneficial.  Like a lot of what we do trying different ideas is always worth checking in to.  I will be looking forward to seeing what results you get.

Thanks again for your input,
Carroll

Hello Citfta,

Sorry I have not replied, being busy...about doing that test you have suggested, on loading rotor coil while pulsing stators coils...I want to do that test...but, did not get a chance...

Related to your above statement, remember that the way an alternator stator is wound, by having Three Layers of alternated coils in reversed configurations, which outputs NSNSNSNSNS...then on second and third layers are wound the same way, except they are off phase/angle, by jumping one or two teeth.

What I found very interesting, is that this type of arrangement, not only serves very well as Output Coils, like it does in all alternators, with very high amperage...but now with our recent tests shown, we can see that this winding arrangement also works as a rotating field(s) which can turn the rotor field...

Therefore, I am very confident that we could use the same winding pattern for both components in a Generator...the Output Stator and the Exciter.

Whenever I find the time I will be uploading a video about my test(s)

Regards

Ufopolitics

Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind:Study the science of art. Study the art of science.
Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.
―Leonardo da Vinci

Jimboot

Quote from: Ufopolitics on September 30, 2022, 09:12:55 AM
Hello there Jim!!

I now can see what you meant by 'alternating polarities'...when you show that image...however, you must realize -on his setup- that HES is actually reversing Four coils at a time per angle shifting...so, I made this image for you, to see what I mean.
1-So, on upper left circled coil, which is blue now, it shifts to South (Red)
2-The upper circle Right coil, which is Red (South) now, becomes North (Blue)
3-The lower Blue (N) Right Coil in the circle becomes South (Red)
4-The lower Left Coil (now Red/South) becomes Blue/North.

And so, that operation (which takes place at unisom) displaces an angular rotation of the Four Poles, following the two arrows direction.

Point about this type of switching, is that ALWAYS, there are at least Three(3) Coils next to each others, which are constantly maintaining the same main polarity during angular transitions...this way the main fields never collapse.

Now, on the other hand, if you just reverse polarities to full Groups of coils...it would not displace the fields...it would just "flash them" in alternated polarities without a rotary pattern.

Regards

Ufopolitics
I appreciate your explanation. Thanks for that.

Ufopolitics

Hello to All,

Hope everyone is ok, and btw, Happy New Year!!

I did not wanted to crowd the HES Thread with this post, as I think it belongs better here...
For a while now I have been analyzing the Exciter System on a Rotary Generator...and what I find fascinating, is that by just starting a full rotation of the magnetic field, the exciter rotor field starts increasing voltage and amps to the point to start a much higher induction on output stator coils.
As any Generator Exciting System (again, not on the car alternator, where we always need a battery to start the process) there is a mutual, direct exchange between the same rotor to induce output coils and the exciting coils at stator (talking about a single phase gen)
Of course, on a 3 phase gen, the exciting system is set at a second level, away from the output coils...since it is required more power for excitation.

So, the graphic I am displaying here have an inner static rotor of 18 tooth, where steel elements/tooth, are separated by a fiberglass housing, and  it contains Two (2) 3 phase Circuits Windings:

1-The first circuit only wraps around two(2) tooth elements, and I will wind it with finer wire gauge, like 28...and this circuit would be in charge to start the rotation of Eight inner neo's, mounted on a shaft rotor on bearings. And this would be the "Exciter Circuit"...connected to the 3 FET's small circuit that I used before.
So, once I start the phase displacement on this circuit, the PM rotor should start rotation, like a BLDC Motor...

2- The Second Circuit is based on 20 gauge wire, and it wraps around three(3) tooth each coil.
Now, this circuit #2 should get highly induced by the first circuit plus neo's magnets rotor (which are both spinning at unisom, sync), and I am planning on reading this second circuit output first, to then connect each phase to AC Running Caps (same type as single phase generators have on their stator exciting circuit)...So this circuit would be solely closed circuited by being connected to 3 AC Running Caps.
And so, I believe this 3 phase fields would be enhanced greatly on this second winding. Acting as the final (amplified) main Inductor to Mains Output.

And so, the Mains Output Stator core and coils are also wound in a Three Phase config like I have shown before, no difference...based on a 36 tooth stator.

I have all 18 independent steel elements already cut, and next I will be making their fibergllass housing.
I am just missing a second AC blower motor to take apart, to build the outer stator core longer, the same size in length as inner static rotor and magnet rotor.
The Blower Motor that I have now, available does not have the required length, is too short.

The inner magnets rotor would be used for a dual cooling fan for all coils on the setup...However, before doing that, I will just be conducting RPM's tests whenever I load the main output, to see what Lenz effect I get there.

I also have an Alternator Rectifier, designed to connect the three phase and delivering DC at the other end...so I would be measuring DC Out as well.

Yes, a lot of work...so, let's see how it goes...

As if anyone has an opinion, or believe this setup should not work, for whatever reason, please, speak your mind out...I  will appreciate  it.

Regards


Ufopolitics
Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind:Study the science of art. Study the art of science.
Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.
―Leonardo da Vinci