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Overunity Machines Forum



Maybe possible idea for duplicating effect of Holcomb and others

Started by citfta, August 19, 2022, 04:00:12 PM

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Ufopolitics

Ok, here is a short video about my test...

FIRST TEST ALTERNATOR AS 3 PHASE BLDC MOTOR

If you noticed the Motor can run at very low input to Rotor Coil, very strong and at very high speed, however, it will not restart after a slow down to stop...unless we rise again the Rotor Field power.

Also, I tried to show you what I meant, in previous post, about the inverse relation between Stator Power versus Rotor Power.

And yes, I will make another video where I will show the 3 Channel Scope Signals from each phase...but will take a while, am busy now until late this evening.
Have to set up all rigs to hook probes, make a more decent setup to hook Input power with bolts and not gator clips cables...plus add another aluminum plate to heatsink...I want to film and test relaxed that FETs will not overheat then blow.

Thanks

Ufopolitics
Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind:Study the science of art. Study the art of science.
Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.
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matu

Hello Ufopolitics, I think the behavior is correct, keep in mind that it is the stator through the regulator that supplies the current to the rotor, this, once it is turning, must be disconnected from the source, which will already demand the one it needs to the stator.
Sometimes the external power supply to the rotor will not be necessary, since the remanent magnetism will be enough to start it.
I don't think that since these alternators are configured from the factory they can supply large currents through the rotor, since if the stator is "excessive current", the regulator will lower the rotor current to a minimum.

That is why another day I advised to use a double thread in the stator, where one would be used as a normal output and the other to generate the rotating field, I have not tried it because now I do not have an alternator.
Cheers

Ufopolitics

Quote from: matu on September 07, 2022, 11:02:30 AM
Hello Ufopolitics, I think the behavior is correct, keep in mind that it is the stator through the regulator that supplies the current to the rotor, this, once it is turning, must be disconnected from the source, which will already demand the one it needs to the stator.

Hello Matu,

Please, let me remind you, that I know perfectly well (in case, in the event, you did not know), how an Alternator works in a "typical automotive application"
On this tests we are doing exactly the opposite, as the "typical alternator function"...
On typical alternator function, the rotor coil receives FIRST, the power from the battery (through the regulator) and Currents are induced on Stator...which then goes to the diode bridge back to the battery to be recharged, plus all other voltage supply required by vehicle.

As a "normal rotary generator", once a load is added to the alternator (say we turn on air conditioning) immediately the rotor gets stiffer, tends to lock up, due to the higher strength of the Stator Field that has increased...HOWEVER, at this point the regulator never, ever, "disconnects power to rotor coil"...or it will collapse and vehicle will stall and stop!!!
On the contrary, Regulator MUST send more power to Rotor Coil...since "demand" increased from "ON LOAD" Stator...
So, please...rethink it again...
No, the Rotor Coil NEVER gets "disconnected from Output Stator, while vehicle is running!!...

From Battery?...YES!!...once the stator builds up certain power, regulator "bridges" output from stator to the rotor coil, and disconnects from battery, once vehicle already started up.

Quote from: matu on September 07, 2022, 11:02:30 AM
Sometimes the external power supply to the rotor will not be necessary, since the remanent magnetism will be enough to start it.

AGAIN, NEGATIVE!!...NOPE!!
The Power supplied to an Alternator Rotor Coil MUST BE ON, AT ALL TIMES!!, whether from Battery (start up) or from Output source from alternator stator, via diode bridge.
Forget about "magnetic reminiscence" here, it "does not apply"...it will never be enough to keep battery charged up while running vehicle at max loads.
Simple, disconnect battery and then try to start the car with your "magnetic reminiscence"...good luck!!

Quote from: matu on September 07, 2022, 11:02:30 AM
I don't think that since these alternators are configured from the factory they can supply large currents through the rotor, since if the stator is "excessive current", the regulator will lower the rotor current to a minimum.
again...negative...it never takes place to drive rotor coil to a "minimum"...

Quote from: matu on September 07, 2022, 11:02:30 AM
That is why another day I advised to use a double thread in the stator, where one would be used as a normal output and the other to generate the rotating field, I have not tried it because now I do not have an alternator.
Cheers
It won't work...you can not have both (supply and demand) on the "same page" guy!!
They will both cancel to a big "zero"...
You can NOT have Induced and Inductor on the same "space-time" right next to each others...won't do...
It is either "above and below" or "face to face"...and that is it...

Good luck and thanks for your comments.

Ufopolitics
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Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.
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Ufopolitics

Hello to All,

While I appreciate any comments, let me remind to you all (before engaging in ridiculous comments)...that my main experience is about Automotive, in mechanical plus electrical systems...

This tests we are doing here are just to study what we are trying to demonstrate...and that is to rotate the magnetic field to induce power...without any rotary parts...
However, must of Us know that Alternators Stator windings from vehicles (any OEM as is) are not good for this purpose. since they are wound to generate high amperage output at a rated 12-14.5 Volts...so, they have low number of turns with very high gauge wire...not good at all...just look at the rotor coil spec's as the "inductor" or exciter...that is exactly what we all need to reverse the function of having the Stator become the new "exciter"!!

Second, the Claws Rotor Configuration is also NOT Good...it will induce very, very low power, because of its geometrical positioning (of core plus coil)

Resuming, these are just some tests to see behaviors...check our 3 Phase Signals are alternated...plus generating the required rotational field...then we will move on, and away from this specific configuration...

Regards

Ufopolitics

Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind:Study the science of art. Study the art of science.
Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.
―Leonardo da Vinci

kolbacict

Quote from: matu on September 07, 2022, 11:02:30 AM
I have not tried it because now I do not have an alternator.
How so?  :o You have a country of unlimited possibilities!
For example, I have a lot of rubbish.
If you do not need me, and you consider me your enemy, at least take my junk.
But only with me in the load.  ;D