More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive

[Tarsier_79]

I have read pretty much all of your posts.
For the most part, buoyancy ideas are simple enough to quickly figure out if
they work or not.

This device is simple enough as well, given of course, that the deeper levels of
why anything does anything, are not known by, any of us. 

Hi Willy

I have a few posts here. Most of my posts are on BesslerWheel.com. I feel I have a deep understanding of what could be OU. I have attached a basic JPG showing the basic premise of your build to help summarize it. Please correct me if any of the details are wrong.

Your testing is very good, and mostly thorough. I understand your view that your device is OU, but I have some reservations at the moment. We both understand there is some preload. What needs to happen for your unit to be OU is total PE gained over one cycle. It could be possible that your device can achieve this, and I hope it can.

My initial thoughts: To show a gain in PE, all you have to do on your output is lift your 115G(or lighter), At the top of the cycle, reduce the "RO" weight by an amount, maybe 20-50g or so, and see how far it will rotate back down, or if it can fully reset. The amount of weight you remove is the PE lifted.....A successful gain in PE over a complete cycle will be OU in my book.

Do you believe this would be a valid test?

[Willy]

First..
Please if you will, give some scrutiny as ...

1. Either a strong magnet falling through a copper pipe WEIGHS as much
while doing so, as it WEIGHS when stationary upon a weight scales, or it does not.

Second
Please resize graphics smaller before posting / edit the last post.

[Willy]

Average force upon the SLiding unit over the initial 4.5 units of distance
during reset (opening the SL gap) varies some amount.

A greater input will be required there when the SL approach to RO has
been nearer. A very small amount of  closer makes a big difference because
The magnetic forces grow stronger rapid / sooner the closer distance between is.
EDIT          Hence the differences is some of the measurement set's weight objects.

The actual force must be measured in increments / integrated over that small distance.

On average in these measurements

"WHEN that work as <60g x 4.5 distance units (<270 work units)  is done
                                                           to, OR DIRECTLY UPON SL
                                  that work is equal to the work which initially closed the gap.
                                                     These two actions are equal and opposite."

EDIT / ADDED

          "that work is equal to the work which initially closed the gap. "
              Rather
          that work is equal to the energy that was present as magnetic attraction
          during the self closing of the gap.  That gap from 4.5 until 0 distance units,
          is self closing during the input phase.

           I store the energy of that self closing  as the very slight stretching of a
           3/16 inch long length of rubber band during the very end of the SL input
           stroke.  That rubber band energy, then allows reset, when no weight object
           is present upon the SLiding unit.

           The rubber band is an innovation, and  not demonstrated or discussed
            per say in any of the materials presented.

MORE EDIT.   
            This then requires the Sl weight to remain in place until the the SL gap is
             fully closed. Ideally, the rubber band stretch and the last 4.5 to 0 units of
             SLiding weight distance of travel, balance / cancel.

            Another EDIT / added clarification
            That rubber band is relaxed except for during the 0 to 4.5 units of distance.

            I'm using a thread tied to the rubber band and a thumb tack at each end.

                             

[Tarsier_79]

I edited the image. Sorry, I thought if it fit on the page it was good. I am not completely used to this forum.

1. Either a strong magnet falling through a copper pipe WEIGHS as much
while doing so, as it WEIGHS when stationary upon a weight scales, or it does not.

I do not know the answer to this one. I suspect the magnet applies its weight proportionately to the copper pipe which weighs heavier, but won't weigh the total amount of the magnet + Copper pipe.

"WHEN that work as <60g x 4.5 distance units (<270 work units)  is done
                                                           to, OR DIRECTLY UPON SL
                                  that work is equal to the work which initially closed the gap.
                                                     These two actions are equal and opposite."

I think you are saying the reduction in weight on the RO direcly affects the distance the SL will move? That is OK, I get that and I understand the magnetic forces are stronger the closer the two magnets get and in what orientation the RO... I think it could still be possible to operate within the limits of that at the smaller distance and achieve a total gain in PE in a complete cycle.

[Willy]

Thanks for hanging in there.

I amended this post yet more / several  times.

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https://overunity.com/19272/more-clairifaction-of-floors-twist-drive/msg577377/#msg577377

This device has huge potential.
           And
an equal potential for its difficulty in terms of seeing / grasping the actions with clarity.

Wow, you are really doing this very well... I think.