1. The origin of the universe

[Feb2006]

conclusion:
_{in the total and constant equilibrium in} pre-inflationary vacuum _{there was disturbance that created
manifestation of disbalance in form of energy.
Creationists see in it the holy finger.
Curvature of space-time was disturbed, leading to interaction of elements in} disbalance leading to
big bang _{and today's discussion.}

So you believe that the start of the universe was a random event.
Not a conscious creation.
And every one believing so is dumb.
I for one think you are very little man afraid of peeking outside your box.
And be able to se both possibilities.

[stivep]

So you believe that the start of the universe was a random event.
Not a conscious creation.
And every one believing so is dumb.

Physics is based on models.
When model becomes outdated - it is exchanged with the new one.
Ideal physicist  duty is believing in nothing and deliver scientifically supported data.

Everyone has rights to believe in whatever. If you are happy with it that is your business.
Nobody is dump. Diversity makes us smart and professional in something others are not .

A priest     unlikely gets job as a microchip maker in Silicon Valley.
Dentist      unlikely becomes construction guy.
Electrician  unlikely becomes a surgeon.

I for one think you are very little man afraid of peeking outside your box.
And be able to se both possibilities.

A dog barking all around wants to send the message.
but average human animal have a problem to interpret it.
Your arguments, are not listed
Your position in discussion doesn't point at any reference nor facts.
I don't understand the basis of your protest.. nor the dog do...
Give that dog some of Polish kielbasa maybe he starts to understand.
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The entire holy gibberish doesn't have facts. Creationists refers to quotes - numbered verses, quoting other people
who were quoting, those before them, who didn't even know how to write it then.
And all that entire holy gibberish was sent from father to son whose son finally learned alphabet.

Give me something physical that I can stand on, that I can analyze can you?
Take any one of my arguments and scrutinize it with knowledge and facts
and I will say thank you..


that entire article (https://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) The universal creation-deepl c1.pdf
is a piece of garbage based on factors listed here:
  Re: 1. The origin of the universe  « Reply #3 on: November 26, 2022, 08:20:05 PM »



holy crap:
don't tell me that I am wrong - prove me wrong can you?
the problem is that you can't
you are not capable of it
and likely not many people can.



Wesley

[ramset]

AG shared this today
I think it should be placed here !


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PqMZfr3wMHE


There are things we all experience which we just can't explain ( and shrug off or dismiss
De-Ja-Vu ... etc


I enjoy the content from OP here , I don't have ability to synthesize it or ...
It's just a place I never go .. my mind is not that big ....like trying to decipher or understand  dejavu...


Perhaps Dr.Greer puts some perspective to other ( non religion) options!


Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Ultimately we are a group searching for FE ( or as some refer overunity)
I actually prefer overunity as this FE sounds like it comes at no cost
And many here have invested lifetime in the hunt !


To make this world a better place for the next generation...


PPS
Back to work....at "this thing we do"
It is the best of "Causes " !!

[Feb2006]

What is in those chapters was shared by extraterrestrial beings to a religious human.
So the religious twist comes from the human and is obscuring the original message a bit.
The extraterrestrials believes in som sort of creation they calls it the Omni-Creativity.
Those chapters are from a the original book "de Universele Schepping" and they differs
From the English translation by Wendell Stevens.
I don't believe in GOD but Im open for some sort of creational energies.


11. Appendix from the original book.



"This flux of immaterial ether waves spins opposite to atomic mass. They also move opposite to any other energy flux (with mass). An example is electrical energy. When current flows through a wire, the immaterial ether waves move along the outside of the wire in opposite directions and only these cause the magnetic field. Interruption of that ether flux can stop the electric current. The resistance of the wire becomes infinite, as it were.
The reverse, generating current, we do on a large scale. Changing magnetic fields in fact generate ether fluxes in the first place. The very high-frequency ether fluxes of the atom and gravity can also be extinguished. Both the atomic disintegrator and the antigravity generator are based on this principle. Ether theory is still a blind spot in our science."

[stivep]

11. Appendix from the original book.
"This flux of immaterial ether waves spins opposite to atomic mass.

ether doesn't exist , never existed and will never exist.
it is   dead concept from 1800ts.
We are not talking about books  or holly books but about lack of evidence of ether .



Animals such as Christians Buddhists Muslims healed/helped by real human animal surgeon, (using technology and science)-
are thankful to their gods, while their children's at school must pass mandatory exam from Darwin, Einstein,
Copernicus, earth history of science, anthropology, archaeology
Those children are thought that human and other mammals procreation is often in the same exactly doggy style.. and they eventually  find out that they are animals too.
Some of them as grown-ups confused by spirituality  repeat the same to their children too.

And some others wants to reincarnate  ether.
Wesley