Is this the beginning of the end?

[Willy]

@Wesley

I have been reading this forum for more than a decade now.

Don't let the trolls or any others discourage you, or take the enjoyment out of
what you do here.

No doubt, you are one the most knowledgeable, experienced and valuable
people on the forum.

[Willy]

You still need to bring the hydrogen up to 1 bar for sea level electrolysis.
I don't see how hydrolysis to 1 bar is giving enough lifting power to raise itself and then be burned, even at low losses.

If you find a way (I've recently heard some) to achieve cheap electrolysis at significant pressure, you may gain energy from the rise to the surface and then up a tall lift.

Don't tell the environmentalists though, because you'd just ending up heating the atmosphere more efficiently than a diesel truck

"Given that the electrical energy input to do electrolysis is equal to the thermal energy produced in the electrolysis process plus the energy of combustion of the hydrogen ? (thermodynamic law) ...

Any energy acquired by rising of the hydrogen in atmosphere, due to gravity, is over unity."


I take it then, that you do not dispute that the process is over unity.

[Cloxxki]

It is a simple answer. This forum is  under attack of few newbies  whose agenda is  unlikely theirs but their supervisors.
I should  have donate all of that money to this forum many years ago  and sign off.
Stefan would have some return from  his  voluntary activity  that is not easy to handle.
He is also paying for some Russian trolls to be able to  write here.

This forum   has a nice group of quite  talented thinkers.
Please understand  that Putin and his terrorists don't obey any language of peace and cooperation.
The only language they understand is  brutal force, restrictions, sanctions, closed doors and over 160 000 killed Russian troops  in Ukraine.
Today I'm likely the main target for them on this forum, - tomorrow  it will be  someone else.
Soviet Union - Russia was chapped  into pieces in 1990 and they  will   collapse again soon.
Unpleasant, smelly  collapsing economy  where  average income is ~$150 per month is the result of
Russian's: 
               "Let's see what they will do if we attack Ukraine."
and now it is:
                "Let's see what they will do if we attack this forum"

At best  for them will be : If I don't have anything on hand.
At worse : due to advanced technology Russia will collapse  faster ..
Dear Trolls  spray me with virus again, make me suffer.
Find  how much  of my story is a lie  
The decision is yours Stefan .
With all due respect

_{opinion expressed is my own.}
Wesley

My superiors are getting impatient with my efforts to get you to see the errors of your way and behave like a man who still has all his marbles.
Before long, they'll be pushing me aside and make your phone ring.

[Cloxxki]

"Given that the electrical energy input to do electrolysis is equal to the thermal energy produced in the electrolysis process plus the energy of combustion of the hydrogen ? (thermodynamic law) ...

Any energy acquired by rising of the hydrogen in atmosphere, due to gravity, is over unity."


I take it then, that you do not dispute that the process is over unity.

English is not my native language, apologies for being less clear with my : NO.

NO I don't think it's overunity, as you need to generate and combust the hydrogen at the pressures valid in their respectively environment. You've added a layer of complexity to the classic buoyancy mind puzzles, but these added layers themselves don't introduce overunity. You're merely ignoring parts of their energy expense. In my very limited understanding of physics.

Hydrogen electrolysis to my knowledge doesn't give free buoyancy energy. You need to insert the energy for all that buoyancy first to local pressure.

Name your cheap electrolysis method at high pressure and prove it to exist. It would be cheaper than conventional, thus the green warriors will make you their king, just to get the stuff into a fuel cell or war head.

[Willy]

Any energy acquired by rising of the hydrogen in atmosphere, due to gravity, is over unity."

Your reply is "no", this is not so to your understanding.  Ok. 

If it is not so, then the electrical input in the process must not be equal to the output of the process. Physics laws say that they must be, exactly equal. This was a given in my statement.

This statement by me ...

"GIVEN that the electrical energy input to do electrolysis is equal to the thermal energy produced in the electrolysis process plus the energy of combustion of the hydrogen ? (thermodynamic law) ...

Are you saying that they are unequal.  I don't think you are. 

I am saying, that even in the circumstance, wherein the hydrogen rises only a few hundred feet
(330 feet or 100 meters) in atmosphere that energy is in excess of the balance of the equation. It is Over Unity.
in example ...  1.2 kilograms at 100 meters height worth of energy would need to be missing from the combustion of 1 cubic meter of hydrogen (generated at sea level) when it is burned at 100 meters above sea level.

                                  Do you think this is so ?