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Alberto Molina-Martinez principle (The Rotating Magnetic Field)

Started by Vasile, April 08, 2023, 02:22:13 PM

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kolbacict

Didn't I prove that there is no virtual rotating magnetic field by my experiment with an iron ring in a stator ? All stator cores going outside have one pole, they only switch in turn. That is, in the winding of my ring, EMF cannot appear as in a transformer, because the magnetic fluxes are counter. EMF can appear only as a result of virtual rotation. But EMF is not there.

Vasile

Quote from: kolbacict on April 10, 2023, 02:37:40 PM
I carried out measurement EMF which is released in permalloy ring and then rotor of usual motor.
The source of the rotating magnetic field was not a three-phase current stator, but a true rotating permanent magnet from an industrial magnetic coupling. This barrel magnet from a magnetic coupling has four H poles and four C poles along its inner circumference. At least no one will say that this rotating field is not real. In the ring, the EMF developed several times less than in the three-rod rotor. Why ?

Hello kolbacict,

Thank you for your interest in the subject. I have some questions:

1) What do you mean by H poles and C poles? Are you talking about geometry? Please post a picture of your magnets assembly that you have spun around the toroid and the dc motor rotor respectively. I would like to see them.

2) You say when you spun the magnets, the toroid developed less EMF than the 3 legs dc rotor. Well first of all the geometries are different, one is closed one is opened. Second, you have different coils on the two assemblies, with different inductances, resistances, etc. Third, you have eight magnets moving. The geometry of the magnetic fields when moving is weird. Maybe they are going against each other in the toroid assembly than in the 3 legs rotor assembly. Have you calculated how the magnetic field interacts with the coils? Why not use just two magnets? At least we can visualize the movement of the magnetic fields easier. 

Vasile

Quote from: kolbacict on April 19, 2023, 11:36:33 AM
Didn't I prove that there is no virtual rotating magnetic field by my experiment with an iron ring in a stator ? All stator cores going outside have one pole, they only switch in turn. That is, in the winding of my ring, EMF cannot appear as in a transformer, because the magnetic fluxes are counter. EMF can appear only as a result of virtual rotation. But EMF is not there.

Hello kolbacict,

1) What do you mean that you proved that there is no virtual magnetic field in your experiment with an iron ring in a stator. First of all, for induction, you used permanent magnets (Reply #3 of this topic), so what does a virtual magnetic field have to do with your experiment in the first place?

2) Okay so in Reply #5 of this topic you have jumped to a different experiment without saying so ( in the future please mention that you are presenting a different experiment so that we know that it is not the first one, from Reply #3 of this topic, or any other one from that matter). So in this latest experiment of yours, you have the toroid on the outside of a dc motor stator, a stator that has coils on it. You appear to be switching the inner assemblies coils in the hopes of getting induction in the toroid coil. How do you switch the coils? Do you use 3-phase current? How many coils are on that dc motor stator? Are there only 3? Are there more? Please present that so we know how the magnetic fields build up. You say the magnetic fields are counter. What do you mean counter concerning the pictures you posted? What are the North poles and what are the South poles? If you mean counter as in the toroid coil seeing a North pole building up from one side and another North pole building up from 180 degrees, then the induced currents "cancel" each other out so how in the world do you expect induction by any means?


3) I see you are truly interested in the subject but I think you should use what Alberto MOLINA-MARTINEZs patent says to use and that is 3 phase power, building up a 2 pole virtual magnetic field. The easiest way to get that is using a 2 pole, 3 phase induction motors stator. That is what I started with. Of course I use low voltage (12v), not 415v or 230v.

kolbacict

Quote from: Vasile on April 20, 2023, 06:21:05 AM


1) What do you mean by H poles and C poles? Are you talking about geometry? Please post a picture of your magnets assembly that you have spun around the toroid and the dc motor rotor respectively. I would like to see them.


Hello.
My magnetic clutch like this one. Of course, that was uncorrect translate. The primary outer magnet has four N and four S poles. This is determined by a small permanent magnet. It successfully entrains the internal secondary rotor and rotates it.
And in my ring, the rotating field does not want to do. :(
Also pay attention to the electric motors from the pump of washing machines. In it, an alternating single-phase current successfully rotates the  permanent magnet rotor   ...

Quote from: Vasile on April 20, 2023, 06:21:05 AM
Why not use just two magnets? At least we can visualize the movement of the magnetic fields easier.
Probably so. I just had the finished product. A bipolar rotor still needs to be made. :)

Quote from: Vasile on April 20, 2023, 07:09:23 AM
You appear to be switching the inner assemblies coils in the hopes of getting induction in the toroid coil. How do you switch the coils? Do you use 3-phase current?
Yes. Everything is exactly like that.


Vasile

I come back with the answer to the first post of this thread. I made some experiments and I can conclude that Alberto MOLINA-MARTINEZs idea of using the rotating magnetic field as a generator means, that presumably induces on a coil and produces more than its input, is incorect as far as I have seen. It acts like a transformer and not like a generator.