Lifters are worthless

[Steven Dufresne]

@eserf,
There's also the possibility of the effect being due to dielectrophoresis, a smaller force than the ion wind types so it's usually hidden. But once you reduce or get rid of the ionization, then it takes effect, sometimes in the opposite direction. Dielectrophoresis uses a nonuniform electric field to more even neutral molecules. Your egg-shape would have had a nonuniform field whereas your sphere wouldn't have.
http://oriharu.net/ufophysics/nonunielecfields.htm
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[eserf]

Steven,

hmmm... now just to intensify the effect in the macro level to further amounts. One of my "next steps" I planned on doing was to first find the "best" shape... perhaps a bell, then build it as a layered capacitor so I could store VAST amount of charge... then unplug the thing and see if we could have nominal "weight loss" (quotes, since it's a directional manifestation) that would hold as long as the charge doesn't bleed off.

If nothing else, make a great physics toy where you could have a block, you flip a switch, and it "weighs" more or less depending on how it's oriented on a scale. 

boy, THAT would flip the guys out at the local Universities! 

[Steven Dufresne]

If nothing else, make a great physics toy where you could have a block, you flip a switch, and it "weighs" more or less depending on how it's oriented on a scale. 

1. But... but... that'd be perpetual motion. Though I don't see why it wouldn't work. It can't work! I don't see why not. Go to 1. :-)
The field does curve back on itself in the back but that can be taken care of by having a nonconductive cone on the back that prevents the fluid/air following the field back. New oncoming fluid/air would give an additional push. Dunno. Musn't be dielectrophoresis then. Let us know how it works out.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[allcanadian]

I think it is more important to consider the properties inherent in the space surrounding your lifter in order to understand what qualities the lifter must possess . The earth has a potential gradient the same as the space between a pair of charged capacitor plates , it also has a magnetic field transverse to this potential gradient. In this sense we can say the earth has polarized fields present in the space surrounding it, one transverse to the other. As well the potential field gradient is in compression, that is radiations(light,infrared, microwave etc....) from outerspace have there frequency of oscillation (wave period) compressed in a changing electric field. Another aspect is the lifter potential field as it relates to the surrounding space, a large high potential field could be considered like a bubble in water whereby the bottom of the bubble is in a higher pressure zone than the top of the bubble--- the larger the bubble the greater the difference in pressure between the water at the top and the water at the bottom of the bubble. So it is easy to see that a large polarized field such as a lifters electric field would displace a larger portion of a potential gradient(potential difference from top to bottom of displaced field)than a small field, in this case we are speaking of the magnitude of the field thus the highest potential attainable should be utilized. We could consider the lifter as a capacitor within the capacitive field present around our planet.

[pese]

No, Pese. TWO wires are connected to lifter. I've done it that way and so has everyone else who has built one. Here's a drawing of a lifter:
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/lifter/lifter/lifter_advice.jpg
One wire + or -, is connected to the grey wire that's at the top of the brown posts. The other wire, - or +, is connected to the grey foil (the rectangular parts near the bottom of the post.) As TinselKoala said, one polarity arrangement works better than the other. That's likely due to difference in ionic mobility of positive versous negative ions in air as Jean-Louis Naudin points out here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/pcnpend/html/pcespend.htm
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

OK,
if so. than its possible to lift the device himself.
(also to isolating the 2 wires against Kilovolts
will make problems.  So generate the Voltages on
the lifter.
If not so mutch Amperages (= Power) need, think
to use "electrostatic or piezo" Generators -
GP