Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[Low-Q]

Here is the video of  the original
Bedini-Cole motor.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3562588371166049574

You can see, that at the end of this video at about 2:05
the rotor spins also up, after it has stopped, so the cap
already has some voltage left to start the rotor...

But the modification of Mike is much better !

Regards, Stefan.

This motor seem to slow down right after he stop spinning it by hand. I can see this by study the "interference" between cameras picture per second and the rotating magnets. When he stop this by hand, there is still power inside the capacitor. and together with the switching system the capacitor runs the motor for a short while, while charging out...

Br.

Vidar

[DMBoss]

Hi,

Is it possible to use one coil, and curcuit, for each pair of magnets in the rotor?

One claims this is not an overunity motor, but what about the loss in bearings and air resistance? To overcome that, the motor has to be, right ?

Br.

Vidar

Correct.  It IS over unity if it can self power against the bearing and wind friction.  Friction is an "output" and in fact heats the room!!!!

If there is no battery or nuclear source, and it will self run after giving it a shove, and continue to increase the capacitor voltage while self turning the rotor, it is over unity - none can argue otherwise!

is it "useful"? - one can argue that line of thought, but what is "useful" is subjective.  if you want to heat some space, or if you want only shaft output - these two have different definitions of what is useful!

Conservation doctrine says that if you isolate a system, then the energy input to system must equal energy output - period end of argument.  If you have no visible input yet are heating the bearings and moving air due to the rotor motion, these are in fact energy outputs and local conservation has been upset! (but not if you consider the underlying energy stored in the vacuum - the fallacy of conservation doctrine is the "isolated system" qualifier.  Physics freely admits there is no such thing as a truly isolated system in universe) (you have an energy pump from the unseen vacuum of what ever you choose to call this energy reservoir)

cheers

[k4zep]

Hi Stefan,

Always keep an eye on you site and this thread is a doozie.  Do you have a timing diagram for one magnet/coil/Hall effect cycle? The scope shots are good but the label is imcomplete.  I believe the TIMING and duty cycle of the pulses are absolutely critical to the operation of this device.

It appears from the schematic that the cap is always charged by the 3 coil via the bridge rectifier and additional energy is shot in via the single diode/hall effect sensor/SS relay at specific times.  Can you tell from the scope shots just when the Hall effect/SS relay connect to the cap to push an additional burst into that cap relative to the motor pulses?

Has Mike also said that he has had a successful run using just reed relays for the additional boost/pulse circuit?

I think it is also most important that we understand the theory and principal and not get hung up on this wire, that wire, this part, that part............

It would seem that the basic Bedini motor also with a third winding would work in this circuit!

Thanks
Ben K4ZEP

[qiman]

Hi all,

Mike says the power coil is about 46 ohms and 28 guage
and the trigger and 3rd winding is a little over 40 ohms
and 30 guage. he says the power coil is longer than trigger
and 3rd so he obviously didn't wind them together or he did
and ran out of trigger and 3rd wire but had power wire left
and kept winding that.

He says he didn't count turns.

46 ohms and 28 guage

Is it accurate that 28 guage has 0.06489691929951409 ohms per foot
and if so 46/0.06489691929951409 = 708.816 feet long. That is
exactly how long that wire is if it is at 20 degrees celsius
or 68 F. That is at almost room temp. I only used a calculator
assuming this temp for the ohms/foot for 28guage.

Does this calculation look accurate?
Unless knowing the ohms of the 30 guage windings, we can't
know the length.

But if a little over 40, lets say 41 ohms and 30 gauge at same temp.
ohms/foot is: 0.10319014368443319
so 41 / 0.10319014368443319 = 397.324 feet long.

That is a huge difference in length between the two.

With 708 feet of 28 guage and 397 of 30 guage for 2 wires,
do you think the looks of Mike's window motor coil can have that
much wire?

looking at the foot long of each I would guess he had
700 feet of 28 and 400 feet of 30 X 2

That would seem to be a logical rounded length for him to have
or purchase or whatever.

What do you all think? Does the calculations above jive?

Thanks,
Aaron

[barbosi]

Similar results I got here, hence the trifilar winding I think is more a recomandation rather than the way Mike did it.
Also, I believe he originaly started with 2 coils, attempting to replicate Benini-Cole motor. The very same coils (possibly bifilar winding) were used later when he added the third coil.
To bad, it seems he didn't record how he manufactured the coils.
It seems though Mike is trying now to replicate his own motor, so hopefully he'll be successful and will provide more info about the coils and others.
Cross fingers.