Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[z_p_e]

Well, it can be argued either way actually as to which is a closer match.

In order to keep our sanity and do an accurate analysis, waveforms MUST be non-inverted, and the scope shots presented by Mike are inverted....that's a fact.

Best to wait to see if the circuit and scope placement data become available. Then one can do a better analysis of the scope shot.

Darren

[NerzhDishual]

Hi clever-witted Over-Unity dot com experimenters!

I have (almost) fisnished to build my motor. Pictures to come soon.

I'm carefully testing the stuff before connecting all the wires.
I have just wired the L3 coil, the diodes bridge and the cap.
When I hand rotate the rotor I do not succeed to charge the cap as fast as shown in the Mike Vid (winmotor_full). Of course, I can charge it but too slowly.

I guess that my magnets are not strong enough. I'm using 6 ferrite magnets (about 7 cm * 2.5 cm  * 1.5 cm). The gap between the rotor and the coils are about the same as Mike's. The wires diameters are also the same and the coils resistances are higher (more turns).

So I'm a little bit disappointed.
I guess I will order stronger magnets (and also leather gloves to keep my fingers safe)...)


BTW:
I'm using the same Crouzet relay.
According to my test, this relay needs about 3-4 volts to be "operative".
So, when the cap is discharged (Vcap < 3-4 volts) the cap is "free to be charged"
until it reachs about 3-4 volts.

So, IMO, If you use a Reed relay, the cap would not been able to be charged because
this relay is "immediately operative" and will (momentarily but  "firmly" - during each rotor rotation) discharge it to feed the circuit. Do you see what I mean?


Any comment?

Best

[z_p_e]

NerzhDishual,

You are already using magnets quite a bit larger than what Mike used. If your magnets are already grade 8, going to larger magnets is not going to get you any further ahead.

You are not charging the capacitor as fast as Mike did. Well, welcome to the replicators' club. If it was that easy, it would have been done already.

There is something "else" that is creating this rapid charge effect, and for now, it still remains a mystery as to what that is.

Darren

[hotspringstrading]

After carfull consideration and seeing that the ringing of the curcit causing a multiple flyback ring during one cycle, the advent that the snuber curcit in the new switch is not the same as the original, resistor capacitor.

It is posible that make did make this work.

He had the switcth conected to the power supply in order to cut out the second switching of the curcit.  When the old switch was in the open state, a capacitor in the switch stors a charge in its own capacitor that will help in the drive of the coil, Note the flyback is what charges it, as well as why the switch does not close.

He got the thing to a constent ring on the turn off, using the gen coil and rectifyer to charge the cap, while the fly back charged the capacitor in the relay. When curcit fired the second third fourth fith, the relay capacitor supllys the voltage to turn on the main coil. Of course this is a ramp due to it will eventualy not have enough energy to fire the coil.

Now to do it with out the original switch.  I see hope.  A capacitor across the switch so when disconected from the positive the cap will charge, the cap is isolated from flyback so the gen coil charges.

Ahh hope exists. More experments coming.

[hotspringstrading]

z_p_e
Why do you think Mike original shots are inverted?  Hmm main firing line drops below zero to the negative current raiseing twords positive ( low current showing as a negate to positive voltage) and when stabalized magnetic fields get the magnetic induction causing a droping effect (negative curve).
Current flow is from negative to positive so fly back will be from positive to negative.
The scope goes high to show time in the off as the current starts to flow from a positive to negative direction.  As current is high,at start of flyback voltage is at peak positive decresing to zero.

Mikes shots are correct. The scope shots you are comparing was taken were Mike said he made his. Scope shot is of a super pole motor using variation (mainly bypassed diode PNP). It is the same as Mikes second switch hall conected showing same set up.

Note it is a 70 % probability and with experments higher that the second switch does not work as the original did. The snuber curcit in to original sett up may have been supling a voltage the new one will not.