Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

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[NerzhDishual]

Hello everybody.
Salve a tutti.
Bonjour ? tout le monde.

This thread is almost dead. OK.

Anyway, I have stumbled upon the following:
When - with my window motor - I chop,divide, hack, mince, slice (please choose the more appropriate word, if any  ) the input batt, the voltage of this 12.5V-4.5A/H lead bat is *not* decreasing as expected but very slightly increasing.

For example : I can read  13.01 volts at the begining and 13.03 volts an hour later. I have made a couple of experiments. The motor draws 20 ma. This  'phenomenon' ( ) only occurs with a *lead* batt and not with any of these Ni-Cd things which I used to utilize.

OK, that ain't obvious overunity but it is the first time that I can observe this batt voltage behavior. Obviously the motor is doing some work while rotating and acting like a fan (and BTW charging a cap). Is it not?

To be more accurate: one experiment:

Under no load the input batt digital volt meter is showing 13.20 volts.
I hand-start the WM (with a non 'sliced' input batt).
At this time, it draws more than 100 ma (the analog amp meter needle is at stop).
After a while, the WM draws about 80 ma.
Then, I connect the reed (ILS) relay to 'slice' the input batt.
After being 'stabilized' the WM draws 20 ma.
The input batt digital volt meter is now showing 13.01 volts.
After an hour it is showing 13.03 volts.
The 470000micro_f cap voltage is showing  more than 25 volts.
The L2 and L3 coils are not used to refill the batt but to charge the cap.

So why I am using this cap?
Just because this cap seems to 'stabilize' the WM and the different meters readings.

Circuit at :
http://freenrg.info/Window_Motor/Non_Bat_Consuming_WM.JPG

Perhaps, the end of the story could be :
A mere 2 coils (L1+L2) window motor with a reed-relay( or else)-chopped input *lead* bat could run without depleting the bat?


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[z_p_e]

ND.

At first glance the reed relay may look like it is contributing to this effect, but in reality, all that you are doing is putting two switches in series, and the combined ON time is now the resulting Q ON time.

In other words, one switch is redundant. If you want to achieve this same effect and have more control over the transistor ON-time and overall timing, get rid of the Trigger coil and use a Hall switch to trigger the main switching transistors.

Darren

[hartiberlin]

Putting 2 switches in series always has an advantage of faster dI/dt current change
and it also helps in a Newman motor system, especially if coils
are used with it.
Yes, keep on trying and try to use copper-graphite switches
with sparks, that will help the battery stay alive and recharge it.
You have to tune the spark to get the best recharge effect into the battery while
running the motor.

Regards, Stefan.

[z_p_e]

Stefan,

Yes I agree that two switches in series may improve the switching process, but that's only when both are switched at the same time.

ND did not indicate if they were adjusted to switch at the same time, AND with the same ON-time, but I doubt they are. If this is the case, then all you get with two switches in series is one switch overriding the other. The same can be achieved with one switch that can be varied in ON time and dwell timing.

Darren