Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hydrocontrol]

Am I missing something here? as I cannot see that this could be anything  but an increase
In the total energy of the system.  but the builder states otherwise?

The builder is just being cautious as most good builders would be. He is afraid of some measurement error or some unknown effect to come crashing down on him so he is being like a good researcher and being skeptical of what is happening. More of a denial effect.
Hoyt wrote :

I sure agree with you there! I'll extend that and think that even if you drive up to a debunker's  house in a fuelless car and take them for a 2000 Km drive in it, they'd still deny it - it's a metaphysical thing.

Right on. If any of us get a working replication many of us will just watch it for hours thinking that 'this can not be happening' because we have been almost conditioned to accept that it is not possible. Once it sinks in we will start to see that we may have been lied to for years.. That is why I want to get my own working replication going so I can watch it for a few hours and let reality set in. Then I can let others watch it for hours and watch the reality show on their faces.. That would be worth it.. Later, Tom

[hartiberlin]

Well, I've started my replication of it, and I have to say it's going quite well. Rotor's done, I've got a good shaft and bearings, I've got a full set of (hopefully) appropriate electronics and the coil winding is in progress.
My only problem is the lack of information on the method of coil winding, that is troubling me the most, as far as the replication is concerned.

I wish we knew whether Mike's coils are true bifilar/trifilar wound? (ie 2/3  wires next to each other wound simultaneously (?)) or are they simply wound one after another and squashed together into one large coil.

As it stands, my first stator is going to be basically one coil wound after another, because I've only got one spool of wire (pulled out of mains wiring of a 12V trannie), although I'm winding them on a wide flat spool, so each winding is on top of each other and once they've finished and squashed together each winding will be mixed with each of the others.

Anyway, I'm photo documenting the entire process, I'll post them once I've got further into it and have some results.

Andrew

Andrew,
please wind trifilar and the main (2nd coil) has about twice as much windings
as the 2 other coils.
Mike said in one posting, that he used a trifilar setup.

You can see this from the scope shots, that the main winding (2nd coil)
gets about twice the induction voltage than the other 2 coils,
so it has about twice the winding turn numbers than the 2 other coils.

Probably the closer the distance of the 3 coils is and the more
interwoven the coils are the better it is.
That is a fact in all aircore coil designs.
So put the 3 wire very closely together or even twist (drill) them
before winding them up.

Just put the 2 shorter wire coils into the center of the
longer wire coil and wind all 3 wires together as one big window coil loop.
The second main coil will then have at both ends more turns.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

[corona]

Oh well, if it doesn't work for me then the first thing to blame is my coil, because I've already finished it. The three coils are well and truly mixed and packed together, but are not properly trifilar wound.

I'm pretty happy with myself, the mechanism is finished and I've only been working on this for 4 hours so far....Now it's time to assemble some electronics... I'll be back soon.

[hartiberlin]

Well done Corona,
Please keep us updated !

I just realized that Mike indeed did probably invert the
scope shot of the third coil.
Look at the attachment.

Now I will explain, how I think it works:

1. At A the transistors conduct and the 2nd main coil
is switched across the cap and the 3rd coil ( minus the
voltage at the diodes)
As the induction voltage of the 2nd main coil is
about twice as large, the voltage suddenly jumps to the
higher level seen at A, cause 2md coil still has higher voltage at this point.
Now Voltage falls, cause the 2 coils are parallel and
current starts to compensate to flow through both coils
and from cap to coil2 also...

2. Due to the induction of both coils the voltage rises
again. As the displayed voltage is at coil 3 and it is
still decoupled from cap via the 2 diodes from greatz bridge,
we don?t see a constant voltage, buta rising one...
(cap is enough decoupled at this time via the diodes)

3.At point B the hall sensor kicks the SS relay conducting
until C. During this period we actually see the
cap voltage at coil 3 minus the voltage of the diode
at the SS relay.
Why the voltage is jumping up at B is still
a bit puzzling to me, but it is probably cause
the resistance to coil2 is lowered and coil2 always has a higher induction voltage, so the voltage level jumps to
coil?s 2 induction voltage level.

4. Now from point B to point C the voltage is falling
at the cap, cause both coils (2nd and 3rd) are now in parallel
and the load resistance for the cap is lower and thus the voltage sinks faster.
(Look at my posted compensation diagram for better insight again)

5. At point C the SS relay is put into nonconducting mode, so the Coil3 voltage, what we see on the scopeshot again falls to its own induction voltage level, which is lower
than the combined induction voltage level from coil2 and3 together, so the voltage jumps onto a lower level...!

6. What is important to note is, that from
the very far left to the very far right of the whole
screen the actual voltage rises, as you can see from the
buttoms of the spikes !

Reread this a few times and it will get clear to you.

Regards, Stefan.

[Charlie_V]

This is pretty cool stuff.  I wonder how much power output one of these motor/generator.. things could produce?  You don't think they would only put out enough to power themselves, and themselves only - hopefully not!