Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor

[hartiberlin]

I just have checked how possibly the main coil
voltage scope shot works.

Have a look at this:

The flat line in the scope shot is the DC voltage
level of the cap.
The first spike is the switch off of the SS relay.
At this time current still flows from Main coil to 3rd coil,
as the 3rd coil has less induction voltage.

Then the second spike is the switch off of the transitors and the main coil is then again floating at the scope
and shows its induction voltage from the magnet rotor.

[Rosphere]

Dave said in the other forum,
it is better first to replicate the original Mike motor
with all HIS components and IF we got it to work ,
THEN we should only change things...

This is all well and good, but has anyone had success in finding this part?

I searched and found that it is an obsolete part.  Mike had better find alternative parts that are readily available or his design will be obsolete as well.

What else can we use here Mike?

This seems to be the only stumbling block.  Mike gives wire diameters and resistance values so we can calculate a coil length if we need to, (or even adjust lengths/turns as we go.)  However, we can not adjust a missing component.

[hartiberlin]

Okay, Mike came back today and announcing this:

OK guys I got the hall ic and the motor is working again
here are the scope shots taken across cap neg. and ss relay output before diode.

scope set at 2v per div. at 10 ms per div.

first shot is with hall sensor hooked up and the second is without it hooked up

scope shots

taken across cap neg. and ss relay output before diode.

scope neg to cap neg

[hartiberlin]

I had another look.
The transistors turn on and off at A and C
and the SS Relay turns on and off at B and C.

If Mike would shift the on/off timing of the
SS Relay just into the center of the transistor on/off
period, there where the wavehill is highest, he could
probably get even more charging out of the cap, cause the
current is higher then inside the coils ?

Or is the coil current also 90 degrees shifted versus the
coil current as normal  coil theory states ???Hmm...


At least this could be easily tried, if Mike would
shift his magnet on the sync wheel a few degrees forward
or backward...or just fix the sync wheel a few degrees
shifted to the axis..
Mike can you try this ?

So I guess the conducting Ontime of the SS Relay is between
the 2 spikes.

What puzzles me is, that if the hall sensor was put off,
we still see an Ontime of the SS Relay..... ?

[Rosphere]

Okay, Mike came back today and announcing this:
OK guys I got the hall ic and the motor is working again

Perhaps Mike could put some sort of spark gap on his cap to prevent overcharging, then see how long it runs?

Oh, and please ask Mike exactly where we can order this obsolete Crouzet part, GN-84131100?

Rosphere--All must contribute.