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2 Balls on slope, one is faster...

Started by hartiberlin, May 05, 2005, 09:05:01 PM

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hartiberlin

#5
May 07, 2005, 07:04:48 PM
Yes, Paul,
but one ball is faster in the middle...
There must be a principle to use this difference in speed
or location.
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kenbo0422

#6
May 07, 2005, 09:32:54 PM
I quite agree.  The end results are NOT the same.  Time is a factor.  One ball arrives ahead of the other.  Time seems to be the difference.  KE and PE being conserved with all due respect to conventional physics, but time is altered.  It may not be altered to that particular ball, but a change in time should be significant.  This kind of test is, in my opinion, is overlooked and explained away, even correctly, but a change in time should be explored unconventionally.  Isn't this where we are trying to look anyway?
Ken

terry5732

#7
May 07, 2005, 09:57:54 PM
Time IS a component of the formula for horsepower, therefore using that formula for energy comparison the ball arriving first has(edit-had) more? HORSEPOWER.

To argue otherwise would be to say horsepower isn't energy?

hartiberlin

#8
May 08, 2005, 02:37:45 AM
Hmm,
maybe not more horsepower, cause the kinetic and potential energy is equal with both ball
at the end of the ramp.
Only the time and location difference could be used somehow.
I wonder if some kind of see-saw could be used like the ball which is faster will
turn the lever faster up and thus lifting the other ball with it.
So how could we apply this to an infinite looping mechanismus ?
Any clever and smart ideas ?

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PaulLowrance

#9
May 08, 2005, 09:59:55 AM
Quote from: kenbo0422 on May 07, 2005, 09:32:54 PM
I quite agree.  The end results are NOT the same.  Time is a factor.  One ball arrives ahead of the other.  Time seems to be the difference.  KE and PE being conserved with all due respect to conventional physics, but time is altered.  It may not be altered to that particular ball, but a change in time should be significant.  This kind of test is, in my opinion, is overlooked and explained away, even correctly, but a change in time should be explored unconventionally.  Isn't this where we are trying to look anyway?

I already addressed this.  Classical physics has never stated it takes more energy to get to a destination in a shorter amount of time.  The ball falls downward and converts PE, from height, to KE, in the form of velocity.  This makes the ball travel at a higher speed for a longer period of time.  Then the ball moves upward and converts KE, from velocity, back into PE, in the form of height.

There is NO OU or FE!

No offense intended, but I am baffled why this is so difficult to understand.

Sincerely,
Paul
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