Generating 100% noiseless DC voltage and current

[drspark]

Hi People,

Interesting,

if the coil form was a section of copper tube, like 4inch diameter and 2-4 inch long, and the magnet was made to tumble in the center around the axis.
Induction on the inside part of the turn(s) will cancel that from the outside part of the turn, UNTILL the magnet moves fast enought to generate eddy currents that flip the flux on the outside of the copper sleave, then I imagine some kind of DC as the output...

Spark

[Low-Q]

I should retract my last posting with my FEMM testing, because it seems Vidar(Low-Q) was right about the torodial coil and how it since it really doesn't have a begining and end to it, that this 'changes everything', so to say...

So, I did some testing today in FEMM to verify what Vidar said about how the magnet on the circumference doesn't move when he puts current into the torodial coil, and how his unit will act as a steady DC generator BUT won't act as a motor! This is a VERY important feature of ANY 'would-be' OU magnetic setup!

So, below are pictures from my FEMM tests. You will note that I used only one magnet and that the magnet is on the right side of the toroidal coil/core. I had to do this because FEMM is in 2D. This is still a perfectly good simulation and verification setup for testing what Vidar said though! You will also note the torque and amp values on the images, these show how many amps are being put through the torodial coil that I have around that iron core in the FEMM sim, and the torque value shows the torque that the magnet on the circumference feels due to the magnetic field that is in the torodial core from the torodial coil. So, in each of the below sims, they are simulating you taking power out of(or putting in) the device when the unit is operating, they are like snapshots.

So, my FEMM tests, needless to say, they 100% verify Vidar's claims. This is a good thing . Note that the torque values stay practically the same, no matter if you are taking out(or putting in) 0 amps or 20 amps from the torodial coil!!!

What happens if the iron in the toroid core is replaced by air?

Can you simulate that too?

Br.

Vidar

[Low-Q]

This is practically the same setup as the Steven Sullivan patent.
He just uses a magnet inside the center of the toroid to rotate it there.

It was said to violate Lentz law.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,

I'm not much familiar with Lentz Law. What does it say? I have searched the internet, but it says nothing specific - as far as I could find out.

Mvh.

Vidar

[gyulasun]

Hi Vidar,

You can find info on Lenz  (and not Lentz, Stefan mistyped) law here is a link:
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/lenzlaw/

Another classical demonstration of this law is the following:
You take a copper or aluminium pipe of a certain length and hold it vertically. Then you insert a cylinder magnet (or practically any magnet that can fall through the pipe) at the upper opening of the pipe and let it fall down inside the pipe. You will notice the falling speed of the magnet is reduced compared to that of the free fall outside of the pipe. The explanation is that the fluxlines of the falling magnet induce current in the wall of the pipe (the wall is a short-circuited conductor) and the direction of the fluxlines created by the wall currents OPPOSE the fluxlines of the magnet, hence they reduce the falling speed of the magnet, they work against the movement of the magnet.

In the meantime I found Naudin tests  from 1998 with Steven Sullivan setup, see this link: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/1108sl1.htm
In the test Naudin used a coil which occupied only a small part of the full circumference of the toroid core, just the opposite case with respect to your coil covering the full circumference. And you reported magnet positionings / movements outside of the toroid core, not inside;  just trying to sum up the differences in the setups.

I attached Sullivan pending patent application if you have not seen it.

Regards
Gyula

[tao]

JL Naudin proved the method in his version 1 test, but then Naudin went and used a magnet which caused too much core saturation.

Just to note also, the originator wasn't Sullivan, but Frolov( http://alternativkanalen.com/ph-machine.html ).

Needless to say, THE KEY to this type of device is this: The combined flux from the magnet and the output coil that exists in the toroid can NOT ever cause the toroid core to be in saturation!!! For when the core is saturated, THE LENZ LAW BYPASSING EFFECT IS LOST!!!

I have been holding back my research on this TYPE of device. Let me just say that Vidar, your design isn't optimal, but you did bring to light this TYPE of device, and apparently brought me out of the shadows, lol.

I have done literally HUNDREDS of FEMM tests on these TYPES of devices, using LUA scripts and everything. I have used these tests to MAP THE BACK TORQUE on the inner-magnet-rotor, and I have figured out the best ways to construct these devices.

I have also found though my FEMM tests this(I had written this privately before):
"..... and I have a lot more to show you, especially ALL my FEMM sims SHOWING that there is practically 0 BACK TORQUE on the rotor(magnet) no matter HOW MUCH power you extract from the pickup coil...(UP UNTIL THE CORE IS SATURATED)

Basically, this means it takes the SAME AMOUNT of energy to turn the magnet, which is on the rotor, when you are producing 1 amp as when you are producing 100 amps in the output coil! SO, if it takes .25 amps to turn the rotor(magnet) and you can produce 1 amp in the pickup coil, then you can just increase the gauss of the magnet and produce 100 amps in the coil with the same .25 amps as input.

SO, in other words, the amount of energy needed to turn the rotor is the same when you are taking 0 amps from the pickup coil as when you are taking 100 amps from the pickup coil! So, to get more amps output, all you have to worry about doing is increasing the rotor magnet's gauss(UP TO CORE SATURATION) or speeding up the rotor...Neither of these affect or cause ANY back torque!

Enjoy..."


I will let all that info soak up in all your brains for a while................................

More later....................

Peace...........