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Overunity Machines Forum



Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator

Started by tao, March 20, 2007, 11:02:23 AM

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eavogels

Thanks Vidar.
I found this device interesting since it was rather easy to test. Just collecting parts now. I have loads of ring magnets but I have more problems finding a big enough laminated iron ring.
Regards,
Eric.

Low-Q

I believe you probably can use a ring magnet. As the magnetic field is static, an 90o on the induced field from the spinning permanent magnet, I believe you can get the same or similar effect. I really don't know, but it's worth a try. You could also demagnetize the ring magnet as well, so you don't have to worry about over saturation of the ferrite material in these magnets.

Br.

Vidar

eavogels

Half an hour in the oven at max. temperature will kill the magnet and just leaves a ferro ring.
I'll try, thanks.

Eric.

Paul-R

I have always felt that a magnetic motor based based on
de-magnetising and re-magnetising in the opposite
polarity "on  the fly" might provide OU. It would be a slow
running machine.

Presumably the electrical cost of doing this would rule it out.
Paul.

Low-Q

Now, I have done some simple tests just to see the potential in a Zen-generator. I winded approx 30 turns on a small toroid, and used my drill to run the magnet. Unloaded I achieved 0.7 Volt. Not much, but the rpm was not high and the amount or turns in the winding are not high.
The resistance in the winding is approx 0.2 Ohm, capable of providing half of the voltage measured when loading the winding with 0.2 ohm. In other words approx 0.61 Watt at max load.
Well I loaded the winding with 3.3 Ohms. Guess what! The voltage did drop from 0.7 Volt to 0.3 Volt. If I do some simple calculations, in respect to the resistance of the winding, the total impedance of the generator increased from 0.2 Ohm to approx 4 Ohm - maybe due to "flux escaping" in the toroid when the winding was loaded.
Approx 0.7 Volt in 3.3 Ohms, is approx 0.15 Watt. This "flux escaping" reduced the energy potential from 0.15 Watt, down to 0.022 Watt. A energy loss of 85% with an easy load.

What does this mean?
A Zen-generator will probably never be able to run itself.
A Zen-generator does not voilate Lenz law, as the back torque is probably internal in the toroid itself.

PS! All values are average effective values. Peak values may be very different.

Br.

Vidar