Distance between postive and negative in cells

[HeairBear]

I apologize for my harsh words. It was my intent to inform anyone trying to make any device to increase fuel economy for an automobile. Many of the questions and solutions mentioned in this thread have already been tested and documented not only in this forum but many others. It takes a bit of effort to sift through it all, but it's there.

At first glance we can see two problems. One being how to make hydrogen efficiently and two, how to use it with our current automobiles. Let's assume we have made a super efficient cell and we need to incorporate into our car which is more than likely governed by a computer and sensors. If by chance your vehicle is older and not computerized, your journey will be much easier and less costly.

It is possible to to modify our cars to get 75-100 MPG with out even using a water fuel cell by leaning out the fuel ratio and vaporizing the fuel.  Some of the problems we run into here is less power and heating issues causing the head/s to warp. This can be alleviated by water injection of some sort for cooling and added power. But now we have a new set of problems and we have to design and build another device to make it work. Do you see where I'm going with this?  What problems will we encounter when we add the cell? Timing, pre-ignition of hydrogen in the intake manifold from heat, tricking a computer to do what you want?

Making Hydroxyl from water efficiently is still an issue to this day but luckily we have hope from certain people such as Stan Meyer, Daniel Dingle, Bob Boyce, and Andrija Puharich. To begin to understand them we have to understand their language which is quite technical and misleading. But, when we compare their circuits to other cheap energy type circuits like Bedini, Tesla, and others, we begin to see the similarities and gain a better understanding of how these devices work.

I will never advise any of you to not test something you want to test, I will only tell you my experiences in hopes of helping you and possibly save you a lot of money and time. I suggest building any cell you can cheaply make and hooking it up to any power you can find. A battery, computer power supply, or maybe a modified alternator will work fine. Sooner or later you going to need a signal generator or Lawton circuit.  Brute force electrolysis just heats up to fast. Unfortunately, even adding a cooling radiator system will only help out so much. The radiator keeps the water from boiling but the heat produced is wasted energy you are paying for to put in.

I am curious though, what are your goals? to save at the gas pump? That was my original goal, but I soon realized it was becoming an expensive hobby. I guess it will stay a hobby till one of us comes forward with a documented working model. And once you do have one, how hard will it be for you to just give it away without any monetary compensation for you hard work. It's hard to say no to a million dollars or more staring you in the face.

Once again I want to say I'm sorry if I offend any one for using poor judgment of my chosen words. I need to learn how to write better. Have a great day!

[Mr Green]

HeairBear my friend ,

you did write a lot and i am struggling to replay to all your doubts ....

1) my goal is to double the mileage - after that point, when your car is running more than 50 % on hydroxy gas you have to think about waste spark and delay the spark with 16 degrees ( 6 degrees after TDC point)
2) yes we can foul the computer , why not ? is electronics , electronics work like the way that we want to work (they are just some values which can be tuned)
3) i think that it is a noble to have such a hobby. All you need to put in are your knowledges and few money. You don't need to go to far in investing money , knowledges and the power to try over and over again are more important. Do not quit , just stop investing money and start investing in knowledges which are here and free of any charge.
Do you know the story about Thomas Edison ? After he was beaten by Graham Bell in the telegraph chase he tried to develop the incandescent electric light bulb after he tried thousants of filaments a journalist came to him for an interview and he ironically asked him if he still gonna try to light a bulb after so many failures . You know what he did replay ? he said : yes you are wright , i had done many tries to light the bulb but their are not faillures , i did discover this way thousants of way in which the light bulb doesn't work.
After he managed to light the bulb the same journalist came to him and he did asked him : Now that you managed to light the bulb what you gonna do with it ? (think that in 1879 there wasn't any electricity) He did ignore the journalist and his limited way of thinking and soon he did come with his grate achievement , what he called "his first model of a complete central power station " So this was the greatest invention , the miracle of millennium. Think about how many people are taking advantage of his invention now ....

so yeah, "Be brave as your fathers before you. Have faith and go forward"  Thomas Alva Edison"   

PS : If i will not touch my goal i will be pleased with all my knowledges gained in phisics , chemistry , mechanics, history , language and many many other...

good luck to everybody and THINK OUTSITDE THE BOX

sincerely yours ,
Mr.Green