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[prajna]

@mrl: There is a difference between the world of nature and the world of culture.  Nature existed prior to culture and will continue to exist after it.  The problem is that it is very difficult to understand what is natural when you are immersed in this insane society that is so unnatural. Thus observations from nature seem alien to a mind that has been immersed in culture for the vast majority of its development.  What I wrote will appear crazy from a cultural perspective but that makes it no less true.  Culture (society) is responsible for wars and pollution and mental illness, so perhaps it is time to place less value on those delusional ideas and formulate some new ones based on the truth.

The truth is that there is no such thing as work and only someone completely insane would "work their fingers to the bone".  When a cow eats grass is she working or just eating?  When she drinks from the stream is she working or drinking?  How do you tell when you are working and when you are playing?  What is the difference between those two states? You might say that work is what you get paid for but what is money really?  How does it come into existence?  How much money is there in the world and how come some folks have to work for it and some just inherit it or conjure it out of thin air?

To live in nature costs nothing; it is free.  Once you want something other than what nature offers, there is a cost in terms of working against nature.  The more you work against nature the greater the cost.  Almost everything we do, short of breathing, is working against or placing demands on nature.

Why do we want 'free' energy in any case?  Isn't it because we are being ripped off by those who charge money for it at the moment, and that they create wars and other tragedies in the process of providing it?  You want to be rewarded for being fortunate enough to experience the joy of discovery so that you might do something to mitigate the fact that you are trapped in a world where almost everything you want to do will cost you money.  You want to pass your costs on to others; where do you think that the costs you face came from? Surely they arose because others have done the same to you. If you want free energy then now might be a good time for you to break the cycle and stop expecting a reward for receiving what nature offers you for free.

As for communism, who taught you that it disincentives work?  Isn?t that a good thing in any case?  I sure don?t want to work, do you? It is unnatural to want to do so.  It is, however, entirely natural to enjoy the thrill of discovery and to delight in creativity.  If you had all of your needs met (food, shelter and clothing) then why would you work?  You wouldn?t; you?d play, invent and create rather than consume, enslave and destroy.  Your playful creativity would benefit others and you would be benefited in turn by their playfulness.  Communism is yet another idea, no better or worse than capitalism; both are completely divorced from what is natural, and neither has been implemented in any way that benefits mankind or the world we live in.

If you are out to profit (something that absolutely does not exist in nature) then by all means patent.  If you are in the free energy thing for the betterment of mankind then by no means do so.  Work for free and encourage others to do the same, then we will have not only free energy but freedom in all aspects of life.

I?m not picking on you mrl, it is just that you offered me the opportunity to rant about a subject that is close to my heart.  Thank you for that.

[ResinRat2]

"The theory of the communists may be summed up in the single sentence: abolition of private property."
   
                                   ------- Karl Marx   "The Communist Manifesto"

       Maybe you should read it and truly understand what that means?

I want to make this clear right now. I am not here to debate political systems. This is also a subject that is close to my heart, and I am a citizen of the United States of America. I am also a Constitutionalist, and firmly believe in the Bill of Rights as laid out by our Founding Fathers. I believe in the right to freedom of speech, right to bear arms, etc. as it was originally put down on paper. Not as it has been bastardized and evolutionized by the Socialist Scum that are in charge today. The right to property is GOD given, and no loser Communist can take it away without a fight.

All ranting aside. This is not the forum to debate this stuff. You stated what you believe, I stated what I believe. Now if you want to debate it somewhere else then PM me and I MIGHT be interested, but realistically I think you are a lost cause. (Just as you can believe that I am as well) .

So let's stop wasting Computer Memory and get back to work.

Thank you for your interest.

[hartiberlin]

All of that would have to be specified in the license ahead of time. GPL doesn't allow this kind of customization. MIT has an open source license as well, it's pretty liberal and might allow for some minor tweaking to allow for charity donation demands by manufacturers, or a small donation to the inventor. Not sure.

At any rate, I'll test one if it ever comes up.

Regards,
Rich

Nobody has applied yet and Naudin and St. D.Allen had not answered yet, if they want to test
one of the units.
So I think as You Rich are very active with your forum right now, I would send you a unit,
if someone applies.

If I find the time soon, I will put all the conditions , that we have laid out so far
in this thread into a PDF File and append it to the first posting in this thread to have
it all a little more straightened and cleared up.

Regards, Stefan.

[prajna]

Resinrat, what makes you think the right (define right) to property (define property) is god (define god) given?

I wasn't stating what I believe; that is the whole point.  Beliefs are what I am arguing against. Begin from what you don't have to believe, to what you can observe.  Did you ever observe ownership?  Did you ever observe a 'right', maybe growing all lush and purple next to a daffodil?  What kind of god, in her right mind, would give people the right to bear arms, fer christ'sake! Man might do so but no god worthy of the name would.

I am not a constitutionist, nor a communist nor socialist, nor any kind of 'ist. I don't fit into any box that you can write off as a lost cause and neither does the only part of you that has any import in the real world.  Surely this is the perfect thread to discuss rewards, profit, prizes, patent v. open source.

Who are you to dismiss this discussion from the category of work pertaining to free energy?  What counts as work anyway?  Isn't that essentially part of the discussion I was participating in? The problem is that you only believe in free speach, you don't practise it. I don't believe in it but I do practise it.