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Simple to make Hilden-Brand style motor

Started by Nali2001, April 13, 2007, 03:40:34 PM

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Omnibus

It's tragic if all Jack did should go to waste. What country was he from? Wouldn't it be possible to recover the motor and send it to Stefan for study and further development. I guess that gravity-magnetic idea is something worth exploring but but I don't know what it would look like in what Jack was trying to do. Otherwise, yes, that's one path that should be taken having in mind that it was exactly the gravity-assisted magnetic field in the magnetic propulsor which led to the conclusive proving the rreality of OU.

i_ron

Quote from: Nali2001 on December 22, 2010, 02:18:54 PM
Hi Ron!
Good demo.
Indeed a good way to release a Leedskalnin PPMH.

But I am not so sure it this really is needed for a Hidenbrand or Genesis valve.
The way I see it, it all depends on the core material. The PPMH can only be made with steel that tends to retain its magnetism when a good looped path is provided, more or less turning it in a permanent magnet after the input is energized. Much like the hard steel horseshoe magnets in the time before ferrite magnets were invited. You had to keep an steel bar at the open ends of the magnet to prevents its demagnetization.

Here is a Hildenbrand type valve that does not leak and releases the bar once power is turned off. Airgap is 0.06mm. Input about 1 watt, the core is grain aligned tape wound silicon steel with square HB characteristics:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/MagnetExtraPower.wmv

People have seen it already before but here are some video tests of core steels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHbQXnXK6Xc

Anyway this is my take on this.
The right core type in the right place can make all the difference in the
world.


Can't argue with that at all nali.  I should have said the cores are cast iron.

The Genesis patent calls out "iron". Proper iron is hard to come by so am using second best, cast iron. I did try one with laminates before and the performance was way down.

Jack of course used laminates, Flynn uses metglass, so a good field to explore.  So the vid is specific to my builds and shows me where my switching was not right before. I was just switching the coil and expecting the flux to cease when the pulse stopped, wasn't happening.

Thanks for the come back

Ron





lwh

Quote from: Omnibus on December 22, 2010, 03:22:01 PM
It's tragic if all Jack should go to waste. What country was he from? Wouldn't it be possible to recover the motor and send it to Stefan for study and further development. I guess that gravity-magnetic idea is something worth exploring but but I don't know what it would look like in what Jack was trying to do. Otherwise, yes, that's one path that should be taken having in mind that it was exactly the gravity-assisted magnetic field in the magnetic propulsor which led to the conclusive proving the rreality of OU.

Jack was in the U.S.  It was his brother who took the time to post here and notify us all of Jack's death.  Someone posted here recently though that the contact details we/they were left with were no longer working.  If someone were dedicated enough I'm sure Jack's relatives could be contacted.  At the time though, all we did was give our condolences, as it didn't seem appropriate to ask for anything.  But yes, I agree it should be possible to recover one of the motors now, or at least find out why not.

And indeed, the gravity-magnetic type device is very different to the motors Jack's most well known for.  He himself was dismissive of the gravity assisted device he'd built, I assume because it was too simplistic compared to his other devices.  But I'm interested in it because of that simplicity and just want to see a verified, replicable self-runner that almost anyone could make.  At this point I don't care if it can't bear an extra load, as long as it can run itself for as long as it's parts hold out, in accord with clearly understood principles of operation.   

Omnibus

QuoteAt this point I don't care if it can't bear an extra load, as long as it can run itself for as long as it's parts hold out, in accord with clearly understood principles of operation.   

Very much so. However, almost everyone is so much down and out now that ensuring a proper infrastructure to do that is almost impossible. To put infrastructure together is the impossible part, not the making of the working OU device if you had such infrastructure. Any thoughts on that?

Nali2001

Quote from: i_ron on December 22, 2010, 03:37:45 PM
Can't argue with that at all nali.  I should have said the cores are cast iron.

The Genesis patent calls out "iron". Proper iron is hard to come by so am using second best, cast iron. I did try one with laminates before and the performance was way down.

Jack of course used laminates, Flynn uses metglass, so a good field to explore.  So the vid is specific to my builds and shows me where my switching was not right before. I was just switching the coil and expecting the flux to cease when the pulse stopped, wasn't happening.

Thanks for the come back

Ron

Hmm indeed, I remember the Genesis patent said pure iron.
Which has a very high saturation level of above 2.6T by the way. Pretty pricey as well. I read, "very pure Iron cost in excess of $700/kg"

Thanks for you video! And keep us updated where you are going with this.