New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !

[The Eskimo Quinn]

Hate to burst anyones bubble, but I don't see any free energy, it is possible the device may have some over unity effect at the end of the day but not likely.

I think a little less excitement and step back and think about this from a physics perspective in basic form. Seeing physics flaws is my best attribute, sometimes it may take a day for it to click what it is, usually about 10 mins is good enough, this took about 5 mins.

1) a wheel of many descriptions and designs can be design to drop and turn past the start point many times, usually the most common is the arm that rotates once or twice before stopping.

DO WE ALL AGREE?? I am sure we do that this is common.

Now take one of these very very very very basic designs and add one thing.

OK "WHAT" is the one thing that now makes bobs machine??

A brake !! the brake slows or stops the machine at the top of the second, third or whatever cycle in which the device is capable of maintaining centrifugal force, and then releases the device to start it again.

to gain a visual perspective of a well known device that has a long running momentum ability, picture the drinking glass bird, now imagine at some point during the swing cycle you hold the bird so it fully refills or partially refills to perpetuate the action.

The flaw is the brake, the mechanics required is massive force IE massive friction IE massive energy, thus the mechanical man and the power required to operate the brake at the required time would most likely outweigh the energy gained.

let the machine start to turn and stand back, if can keep turning without a brakeman, then i am more than impressed, but I imagine if it was the case of a working machine it would be in a local shopping mall on a trailer every day and at local universities for all to see and take notes (unless he intends to patent the device) in which case publication of the device voids patent ability in most countries except the US. so he would have a US only patent. (the US often allows publication for 1 year prior to patent, but not most other countries, certainly not Australia, Britain, and most of Europe where it would have a value) So disclosure by film has destroyed most of any patent claim anyway.

It's a nice drinking bird Bob, show me the eagle soaring without the brakeman.

Sadly it looks like it took a huge amount of engineering to rebuild the bird on a huge scale.

So my gift for Bobs effort will be to give him one of the first copies of the Sword in June, (at least with no power bill he'll eventually get his money back.)

[supersam]

eskimo quinn,

your statement made you look like a complete idiot.  can you think or even concieve of a better way to use braking?  if not may i present for your concideration, a load, like a generator!!   wow you say i never thought of  that , what a dumbass i must have been.  if the generator still doesn't slow the machine then a brake may be appropriate again, however if this is the case why not just add another generator?  maybe that would be too much power for some people!!  dumbass
!

lol
sam

ps: oh, i see now, maybe we don't need a friction brake at all.  except for testing.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

what a nice polite response, supersam, then I'm sure that if i am wrong and such a -----, then you can enlighten us all by showing us the machine free spinning without a brakeman, I'm sure bob will oblige.

As for going so fast it will self destruct, i think basic physics even for a working perpetual motion machine will hit the speed limit wall as determined by the weight of the counterweight maximum momentum force, that is of course you understand that concept, oh sorry thats right that was missing from all of Bobs posts, his site and every reply to the device thread, that exponential force can never be applied as a term to momentum conducted by a set weight, or did I miss the counter weights getting fatter??? Oh large sponges that absorb moisture so as to gain weight and momentum. Genius !!! Hats off. well done how silly of me (would that make him sponge Bob?)

My apologies superman.

[Bessler007]

. . .
The unit works by raising the weight up to the top at the 12:00 o clock position and the lower weight follows as they are connected
. . . .

If the weights lift when the barbell is vertical or at 12:00 then the lower weight does a little more than just follow.  It doubles the load and doubles the effort needed to raise it 1/2  the diameter.

A single weight that develops energy over 180 degrees or a drop of twice the radius should equal two weights needing to be raised the radius (less losses due to friction, entropy, etc).

Bessler007, mib

[fernando]

Hi all again,

I think that I have devised what Bob means. The idea of having two weights rotating or giving extra force, as just posed, is wrong. if weight A is at one end of the pendulum and B is attached to it, but at the center of rotation, when A rotates 180 degrees, B is rotating at the center of the axis, so to speak at a point of radius 0 or the center of the circle, so it does not add any weight and therefore does not give any energy to accelerate with gravity plus centrifugal force.

In order to give you an idea of what I once devised with reciprocating pulleys of two masses, I understand what Bob has done.

Imagine two parallel shifts, rods, bars or any kind of means that work as a pendulum. Both of them rotate in parallel. One of them is tied to the axis where it will delever the energy.

The second parallel shift or pendulum has attached two weights (A and B) of the same amount of weight or mass, and travel along the parallel pendulum back and forth. Both weights, since the are attached to each other move in sincrony along the radius of the circle,  they have a distance to travel which is exactly the distance between the axis, or the center of the circle and the end of the pendulum, that is, the radius of the circle.

In order to prevent mass A at 6:00 to break the end point, he has placed a spring there plus a stop end, where it will bounce back and get some backward energy to send A to the center. The rest of the system may be pneumatic or managed with springs tied to the center or anywhere else, in order to make mass A travel to the center of the circle at 6:00. Since mass B is attached with a fixed element, rod, shaft or whatever, it travels to 12:00 exactly after A has striked 6:00 when it receives the energy gained by A.

If that happens between 6:00, 6:02, 6:05 or 6:15 does not matter, the machine will make mass B position itself at 12:02, 12:05, or 12:15.

At that point, A becomes powerless at the center of the circle, while B becomes potentially powerfull gaining speed from gravity since it will travel to 6:00 and the cycle starts once again. Obviously, all this needs calculation of the force of springs, shock absorbers or whatever means he uses. Obviously, levers, trigers and other trinkets help B remaining at 12:00 at the end of the pendulum and A at the center of the circle. Otherwise it would not work.

Bob, not being a formal engineer, probably has arrived to it though trial and error, without calculations that would have saved him time and frustration.The bigger the mass and the longer the pendulum, the more power it will deliver. Obviously, there is friction in the machine and material wear through its functioning, but, if it works reasonably well, why not?. The longer it goes, the more energy it will deliver. Moreover, the slower it goes, the longer it will work before needing any maintenance, oiling of moving and frictioning parts and any susbtitution of worn parts, presumably the shock absorbers, levers and supporting points, not to count any of the moving belts he has installed.

On his benefit, the machine is simple, needs little to maintain it and you can make it bigger and put many in line to work on parallel to produce even megawatts, and what is more important, at a very little cost of manufacturing. It is a mechanical machine and quite simple, but very ingenious.

Now, what we need is Bob showing exactly how he moves his generator for a long time, without stops, maintenance or failure for a reasonable time.

lets hope this happens soon.

So far, what he says is the trick, the two attached masses, is right and it can work.

I am already thinking on how to try to replicate what he says.

by for now.