RE: For starters , Read this first, compiled PDF file of Steven Mark postings

[kokomoj0]

Oh, and Koko, You've yet to present your argument. If you want to debate, present it, and quit placing the responsibility on others for your belief or disbelief. Again, I stated it plainly before, but I'll do it again. You say you want to believe with all your heart. Fine, believe. But, your eyes tell you a different story. Fine, don't. Either way your belief does not effect us. If you believed, and CONTRIBUTED, that might effect us. But disbelief only effects your disposition on the issue.

Oh, and if you think you can fake that video cheaply, please do. And don't forget to put a TV set in the room, and do some RF discharges without gloves on like that.

Otherwise just educate us all, as you no doubt feel you need to, or don't. We've all been through this several times, so feel free to change our minds. We're listening....

Rich

i did present my argument you prefer to bypass it.

i am glad you feel you have adequate proof which imo is frankly laughable.

Like i said if all this energy was put into the moray device that was reviewed in a public forum, patented in a public forum i am sure that we wold have a nice working model by now, but you want to perpetuate chasing myths and chasing a mystery more power to you.

It seems you all have made a religion out of this and well what can i say ya can never change a persons religion can ya!

i will stop back every few 100 pages of posts just to say hi

Oh and dont forget to keep those harmonics lined up, i am sure you will all get your kicks in the end!! 

[hartiberlin]

its interesting that an aussie (Raymond Dale) is the one who claims this guy is a fraud

Raymond Dale
is an disinformation agent and probably addicted  to drugs.

And I wonder if it is him ?
Read this:


Drug Hunt Lab Break-In
THREE men wanted to steal drugs when they broke into the government forensic laboratories and attempted to burn it down, a court was told yesterday. Scott Raymond Dale entered the witness stand to deny he and two others went to the laboratories to destroy evidence on behalf of another man.  Under cross-examination by prosecutor Linda Mason, Mr Dale said he was not "going down" for a bomb.  "You think someone who uses amphetamines would go and blow it up?" he said.  "Blow it up my arm, that's the only place I'm going to blow it."  Mr Dale, Trevor Stuart Fox and Bernard Graham Hall have all pleaded not guilty to being involved in an attempt to blow up the forensic laboratories at New Town in March 2000.  Mr Dale, 25, of Illawarra Rd, Glenorchy, said that in 2000 he had been addicted to amphetamines and that Mr Fox had been his supplier. He said Mr Fox had told him, Wayne Howlett and Joseph Tonner that he knew where seized drugs were kept and that if they stole them, they would be shared 50-50. The court heard Mr Dale, Mr Howlett and Mr Tonner went to the laboratories with a torch and two cans of petrol. Mr Dale said the petrol was to be used to burn the building down to cover any fingerprints they might leave. He denied knowing a bomb was inside the torch. (continued)

Source: The Advertiser/Gavin Lower/7 December 2004/ http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11612818%255E421,00.html

[kokomoj0]

its interesting that an aussie (Raymond Dale) is the one who claims this guy is a fraud

then again maybe its this guy?

Raymond Dale
Langford, Western Australia, Australia

Email: rdale@iprimus.com.au

Home page: http://home.iprimus.com.au/rdale/

Interests: Literature, physics, astronomy, quotations, bible study.

Published writer: No

Freelance: Yes

Published works:
Nonfiction
# Wisdom for Life

http://home.iprimus.com.au/rdale/fec.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1747392/posts

[kokomoj0]

How about this guy?




Re: Steven Marks TPU (toroidal power unit) Update
Jerry W. Decker ( (no email) )
Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:20:50 -0500

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Hi Folks!

Received this interesting reply that must remain anonymous but is
intended to be shared;
--------------
Jerry, I checked out this Mark unit several years ago. I was in LA and
met people who had worked with him in the past. I friend of mine was
also involved on the periphery. Walt Rosenthal and some of the people
funding the Sabori effort to replicate the Papp engine met with the
lawyer that represents Mark. The lawyer lives in the Phillipines and is
barred from law practice in the USA. (get the picture?)

The unit you descibe in your email is one of the best examples of fraud
I have ever seen. To the trained technical eye what is going on is
obvious.

When you interview the people who have worked on this project it
confirms what the video shows, total fraud. I thought this one had been
put to bed several years ago but it keeps rising from the ashes.
------------
My comments;

Thanks, and very good to hear from you!!! I am told privately that
Marks was once living in California in a very grand lifestyle, spending
thousands per month on this big house with parties all the time at the
expense of a millionaire investor.

The article indicates when these two guys got together, they figured out
something new and novel..a new scam perhaps?

You know, I want to believe as much as the next person but am highly
skeptical...what puzzles me is why no one has at the least duplicated it
if there is a known fraud technique...

I say this because Keely made a lot of claims and did a lot of demos at
the time (1872-1898) that were written up in magazines and newspapers,
then slammed as fraud (mostly by Scientific American) by many, yet NO
ONE could duplicate even his simplest demonstration....

In my view of logic, that bothers me.

When I was going to tech school, our teacher was on sabbatical from
Texas Instruments....he gave us a problem that involved a transformer
with a turns ratio of 1:10. He said if you put in 10VAC, what would you
have to do to the transformer to get an output of 1000VAC?

We could see no way to do it and everyone declared it impossible. The
teacher smiled and said that's what he had actually seen one time, this
bizarre transformer, nothing else attached, just two coils, one primary
and one secondary that took 10VAC on the input and put out 1000VAC on
the output.

He said they put their best engineers on it and found the cause, a
partial breakdown in the windings that caused a very rapid discharge of
the input sinewave so that the energy was compressed on the output to
give high voltage but no real power.

This is something that others have found in erroneous O/U circuits where
the voltage out is greater than the voltage in and calculations indicate
more power out than in. Even the voltmeter shows more power out than in
because it stretches the high voltage spikes to average them out, giving
a false reading. It is done by wave shaping that causes a very tight
and sudden collapse from the maximum to the reference.

Of course, none of these can drive an appreciable load and sustantially
much less than the input power despite giving the appearance of more
power.

With the Marks device, if he indeed does have a battery, AND if the load
does indeed get hot after a short period, it would seem he is extracting
most of the juice out of this hidden battery.

Do you know how to duplicate this Marks device and could you describe
it? Thanks!

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[kokomoj0]

Might be this guy that gn0 corrects spelling on. 

About Steve Mark

Resides in California.

2004 statement: "Has a police record for lewd behavior (documents on file). Is a near impossible inventor to work with."

Challenge: If documents are on file, where are they? Doing a title search via the State of California's records show several results for home/property owners with the name Steven Mark. He could be any one of them. Which one was arrested for lewd behavior? There are also several different people with the name Steven Marks (which is not his name), chances are this is the name that was used for the search, since this is name is commonly mistaken for his real name, which is Steven Mark, no "s" at the end. -- User:Gn0stik
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator

It seems the other patent would contest this.  definitely looks like a MarkS to me.