Chas Campbell free power motor

[rMuD]

I dont think you know what your talking about.

The work starts the second that the ball is on the PVC ramp,
as thats when the weight is being transfered.   

If it was adding any work to the device, it wouldn't be rolling down the ramp or falling at a faster rate... maybe on a slant it would be 1/2 working 1/2 falling.. 

[hansvonlieven]

Precisely Hum,

Isn't that what I have been saying all along??

At anything above 3.8763, the lower ball is off the wheel BEFORE the upper ball comes on the wheel!  

Humbugger

Hans von Lieven

[zero]

rmud, 

It doesnt matter.

If you roll a bowling ball down a wheelchair ramp while the entire ground sinks slowly into lava...
you are still effecting the ramps decent by the gravity pulling against the ball.   

Flat surface or not.  Rolling or not.  As long as there is contact with the surface,
gravity is pulling it down.

 
The big difference here, is how you can make the ramp sink into the lava more
quickly, by making the balls path change to a more vertical decent.. and to
use the balls acquired speed... to smash into the ramp much harder.
(by hitting a stop which is connected to the sinking ramp)

[Humbugger]

Precisely Hum,

Isn't that what I have been saying all along??

At anything above 3.8763, the lower ball is off the wheel BEFORE the upper ball comes on the wheel!  

Humbugger

Hans von Lieven

To be honest, I didn't quite understand your approach and I don't recall you quoting the magic 3.8763 number before just now.  But I respect your physics knowledge and realize there are twelve ways to state a proof.  I'm a more strictly intuitive guy when it comes to mechanical stuff...electronics is my area of most experience...no formal education either!  Just 40 years of working with millionaire entrepreneurs and ARPA-funded R&D labs associated with UC Boulder Physics Electro-optics.

Glad our different approaches meet in the middle!  I've enjoyed your posts.  A good mix of skepticism, tact, knowing when to tread lightly (my weak spot) and of course that underlying inkling that there really is a lot we don't know yet. 

I do so respect your knowing that the future worthy developments won't come from putting lipstick on a pig that's been roasted and served up dead a thousand times before.  It's rare around here.

I don't think Stefan ever quite got what I was trying to say...maybe he is more likely to listen to your approach.  He's a puzzle to me at times.

Today's frenzy the most scientific discussion with the most people at the fastest pace I've been involved in online!  Really sort of awkward on an internet forum, but highly enjoyable.  I learned how to post a drawing...yeeehaaaa!

Humbugger

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Hum,

I never quoted the 3.8763 number, I merely stated that there was not enough arc at a distance of 4 to bring the next ball into play.

Same thing though, isn't it?

PS. I enjoy your posts too.

Hans von Lieven