Chas Campbell free power motor

[tinu]

Quote from Campbell.doc of Mr. Tseung:
?Some Physicists might not even do the mathematics and conclude that these two objections would destroy all chances of Chas Campbell having a working perpetual motion machine.  They might even suggest dropping all efforts!  They might quote the Law of Conservation of Energy and recommend not to waste time and effort.?

No, I?m not doing that.
But where is your math?
I couldn?t find it.

The machine doesn?t work because the total momentum averages to zero.

Tx,
Tinu

[shruggedatlas]

Okay...I give up.  This is where the laughter breaks out as the arrogant professor tears out his hair and the plotting students roll on the floor at their successful crazy-making.

Stefan obviously is not stupid.  Everyone can clearly see the point I have made is correct.  Stefan pretends not to get it.  Humbugger goes insane being told he is wrong by an authority figure when everyone can plainly see he is right.

Humbugger, you are correct in your analysis, but I think yo should look closely at what stefan has said:

If you stop the wheel, when the next ball has come up at the left side,
it has enough time to run out to 4x.
Then always one ball is at the right side and it can then start the wheel again.

Stefan seems to be under the impression that you can stop the wheel and wait for the ball to go in.  Maybe this is possible with some type of mechanism to keep the wheel from rolling backwards.  With Chas's wheel, I think as soon as you have more force on the lift side than on the descending side, the wheel will start to move in the opposite direction.

[rMuD]

as for your beer analogy, your talking my language now...  your centrifical force which I don't see how it adds any work even if your theory was correct.   Here is my Beer anaology to your senerio...   Take a Keg of Beer upto a 2nd Story Balcony... have your wife drop it down onto your head, for safety reasons lets say you step off so when the keg of beer hits your hands your arms are at a 45 degree angle.  when that keg hits your hands and you push it off so it does not crush your toes...  the keg is pushing against your arms til it hits 90 degrees..  there is no centrifical force until the keg reaches the maximum velocity of the outward force.

he is another example

a spinning motor takes more energy to start than it does to run, assuming building up the centrifical force..  In a loading and unloading gravity wheel, you throw it away on the down stroke before it reachs (2x wheel in 15 degrees, 3.87x wheel in 7.5 degrees)  just at the beginning of the power curve.   On the up stroke the instant you hit peak velocity for maximum centrifical force you drop it out of the system.


As for the other Device, it has been in use for 50+ years if not longer in the commerical/Industrial Market, it is a Rotary UPS http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rotary+ups Caterpillar (The Heavy Equipment/Motor Manufacturer) as far as my experience is the most mature product.   It's a mechanical Battery.. and it's defiently not self sustaining..  takes almost a Day to spin up, but will output over a Megawatt of electricity before it stops spinning...   

The Rotoverter is probably a mature product as well, the core of it is at least, it's what's known as a Rotary Transformer, used to power 3 phase devices from single phase..  I got a 30HP one sitting in a warehouse, that we used to use to run Large Frame Lasers that had 3-phase AC/DC power Supplies (210VDC at 40AMPS output)  I havn't looked at the schematics for a rotoverter vs a rotary transformer yet, or even really looked at a rotoverter schematic, all I know is that you do the same input, have the same issues with Cap Banks vs load.. well and the fact that you use don't add a alternator off the shaft.


MIB turned me down for my badge, said I am working on the wrong side, I should be encourging the research of concepts that are known failures for the past 3000 years

[zero]

hartiberlin,

Putting a ball in each hole at one time would not be a true representation
of how his system works.

Again, being that the balls roll at maybe a 30 to 35 degree slope
after it hits the PCS pipes, and then slam the wheel with extra energy.

Nobody has added that into the equation Yet.   (Hans... still waiting...)

It also would not take into consideration a gradual time slope which
gets the forces up to a certain speed and centrifical force.  This
could result in improper results.

Ive already listed the things that Chas can do to fix his machine
which are fairly easy to do.  (with the bottom gate being the
most challenging, but still achievable for such a handy inverter)

I think its easier it he just repair that points I suggest than to
speculate further.

[Humbugger]

rMuD:  Your insight is keen.  You must be an old guy like me.  [they were called dynamotors in the military...very common knowledge...easy to tune for peak efficiency as long as the output load was unchanging...after the war, lots of people wrote up plans for jiggling the caps around to use 400Hz units on 60Hz and three phase units on single phase]

re:  "MIB turned me down for my badge, said I am working on the wrong side, I should be encourging the research of concepts that are known failures for the past 3000 years"



If I were a strategist working for CIA, MIB, big oil, the PTB, etc., it would not take me long to suggest that the strategy of sending dozens of skeptics into arenas like this would be stupid and futile.  It could actually further the "progress of the science" if they were at all effective at truncating futile efforts.

Far more effective would be the placement of a few strategic leadership folks who would pose as avid enthusiasts and openly encourage every proposed idea no matter how easily it was proven unworkable by even simple inspection.  The hoards of sincere hopeful believers manipulated by a few chuckling false gurus getting rich pretending to carry the banner of free energy heroes,soldiers and martyrs.  Now you have an effective strategy for denigrating the whole field and assuring no progress.

Anyone insisting on critical thought would have to be silenced, banned, ridiculed and shouted down or frustrated into oblivion. The place would become so completely full of rabidly-pursued unworkable ideas and ultra-enthusiastic fervent replicators that anyone with a decent ability to think and reason abstractly would forget the whole idea of free energy after one visit! 

What better way to push potentially contributing thinking people away and to sourly discredit the whole free energy concept as being foolish?  The "mole skeptic" idea looks limp by comparison.

Next time anyone uses the "oil-man" accusation in response to a logical skeptical argument, think about that. 

Humbugger ~ I don't work for nobody ~ I ain't got no badges!


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