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Successful TPU-ECD replication !

Started by mrd10, June 12, 2007, 05:12:47 AM

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Mannix

#340
June 16, 2007, 09:09:23 PM
Hi guys!

One builder...Good on you Com.

I dont know what to make of this yet but I will not go about changing any thing untill i get the effect of the top and bottom coil offering extra out put..like in the doc....then and only then would I take either of them away. ..If i did not achieve that point I would be looking for something i did wrong.



this group mentality to one person testing risks a "race to the bottom".

It will be more lively as more devices are under our noses...
Looking foward to contributing with that.

I like Ottos term..... PC Heros!...that is if you don't have one under construction.

Great days!

Lindsay

Bruce_TPU

#341
June 16, 2007, 09:30:55 PM
Quote from: replicator on June 16, 2007, 08:11:56 PM

Sorry but I dont think currently what is the importance of "3 of frequencies" and "rotating field", because it seems that the three CC coils and the Moebius "capacitor" has 1 main resonance. Maybe the Moebius has own resonance freq, if anybody from you are HAM (radio amateur) it would be greatful check it with a GDO.

@Lindsay
Well said and ditto's

@ Replicator
You did very well and I agree with about 90% of what you said.  About the three frequencies and their importance.  I believe that SM clues us that ALL THREE are a derivitive of the resonant.  Resonant, 2nd harmonic of the resonant and intermodulation for the third, this of course is the sum of the first two to form a unique third.

I have also been stating for some time now, that it was not either an accident or coincidence that SM mentions SPECIFIC frequencies.  He mentions his "resonance" at 35 KHz.  But instead of leaving it at that, he clues us in to the exact frequency, of 35.705 KHz.  Now, why would he do this if it were unimportant.  Here is his exact words.

"I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance.
I had so much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there.
I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level.
It is a good thing that I can't hear that high.
But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to
245K HZ.
Which I measured.
HEY, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the
speaker's circumference?
it appears that the frequency should change with the
circumference of the speaker.
That makes sense to you does it?
No one I have talked to realizes that yet.
I use 15" speakers myself. They are 15" from the dead center of the
outside flange to the other sides flange.
You know transistors just don't do well at those high frequencies.
They try hard but they just make all sorts of harmonics all over the place.
dirty things transistors.
MOSFETS are better you know if you wanted to make an amplifier that behaved as though it was a tube amp but in a smaller size."

I know that there is a way to "adjust" the resonance by the use of a cap and resistor.  Could not the resonance of our TPU be made to resonate at 35.705 KHz.  Then the second frequency would be 71.41 KHz.  Then the third frequency would be 107.12 KHz

I have pointed out evidence on my thread from an invester their at a demonstration, that SM clipped wire from his tpu until it reached resonance.  That means he "TUNED" the TPU to the frequency, NOT the other way around.  I have said this for weeks and feel like I am spitting in the wind.  SM did leave some great clues.  I mention one earlier about the signal being phase inverted for each of the frequencies.  No one says anything.  I post where SM said it, and still not a word.  I even posted where to find the circuit to do this and still no one takes it to heart.

The TPU is tuned to the one of the frequencies he told us.  The three frequencies are derived of that ONE.  Each of the three frequencies then need to be phase inverted as SM states, 180 degrees would be a start.  A Phase inverted signal is really two identical signals out of phase (sound familiar).  Think of the added speed to the kicks as this is multiplied by each of the frequencies.  GK has it right in his last couple of posts in his thread and nailed it as well.  It is about Speed.  The controller is about SPEED.  Disabling the flux is about SPEED.  Phase inversion is about SPEED.... Speed is energy.  Theory of relativity.

Thank you for your time,  Maybe someone with better electronics skills than I hears me.

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Mannix

#342
June 16, 2007, 09:41:10 PM
Bruce,

I wonder sometimes how much of our so called electronic skills are of assistance here ....multimeter...how to solder.....basic wiring ..now its getting harder...
BTW I suggest that everybody get an analouge meter here ..digitals....all of them...especially the cheapo's  are a problem!

I will be stupid untill i see an electron...or are they particles*&*!

Lindsay

gn0stik

#343
June 16, 2007, 09:55:40 PM
Weeeeellllp.

Great Cam, good to see you checking it all out again. Doubling tests is always a good idea. I still wish Roberto or Otto would do it, or at least comment on it. I haven't seen Roberto online anywhere today.

I am curious why you arent satisfied? Sounds like you did everythign right, and that most of the test was done before I got there.

So, My coil is done, after rewinding my controls, and due to shipping mishaps, I have no fets or drivers. Drivers got misdelivered, and fets are at my office. Aaaagggggghh. I hate UPS.

So the specs are (in american gauges)
Primary is 24ga., 13'8 3/4",(did a conversion of the lenght in meters of their primary) 12 grams in weight.

Secondary is 28ga., 12grams in weight (did not mesure lenght, as I just made it mass equivalent to the primary.)  But judging by the turns it's a little more than twice as long. Perhaps 2.5 times so that would make it about 33 feet or so.

Total weight (with the spool which is 11 grams) for each control was 35 grams.

Wound clockwise via a drill, bifilar till the primary ran out, then finished winding the secondary.

Resistance of the controls was .5 ohm

Collector is composed of dual 18 gauge stranded speaker wire around 3/4 OD vinyl tubing. The bottom part is not shown in the pic, but since there's nothing special about that, you can use your imagination for it.

Here's a pic.  Took it with my camera phone, sorry for the quality.

chrisC

#344
June 16, 2007, 10:00:04 PM
Hey Rich:

With your one hose contraption, you ain't got that 44mm spacing which according to Otto, maximizes the coupling effect? Then you aren't comparing apples to apples. Just a thought.

Cheers
chrisC
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