Steorn?s upcoming demo in London , Uk !?

[hartiberlin]

The question with Paul Sprain?s motor is how to really confirm it?s really overunity.

He will be running a selfrunning device powering a bank of light bulbs.
So not a tiny ORBO, but a powerful Wattage output from a selfrunner device !

[exnihiloest]

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With SMOT proving overunity is pretty straightforward and this is the only experiment I know of  to really violate CoE. SMOT isnââ,¬â,,¢t practical, though, especially when producing excess energy discontinuously.
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Why do you think so? As nobody has succeeded in looping a smot, smot is not proved to be OU device, question of magnetic potential which is not the same at the start and end point. The evidence is not yet available.

[helmut]

A new Star for the enthusiastic s born.
So we count the Replays  on his topic and hope and hope hope
Like we have done with Mike and Bobmary and Chas and Steorn and many others.
At least we are prepared to receive the good news,because we all ready  tuned.

helmut

[Honk]

On the new machine we are getting 222 Nm at 52 radians. The maximum I can put
into the Electro-Magnet is 110 volts at 9 amps firing 33 times a second.
As you can see the input is nowhere near what the output power is.
(added by admin: Output is a huge 12.5 KWatts, while the input is just 200 Watts only !)

Paul"

Last machine he did, he told us that it cost him one million dollars over 4 years.
What??? Is this guy for real? And 4 years on that simple setup?
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1756
That simple machine and it's labor should have cost several thousands at maximum. Not one million.
And he did not even use expensive Neodymium magnets (I read this at a site I can't find anymore).

Unless Pual Sprain does everthing right this time and follows the rules to avoid behaving like the
typical Free Energy scam guy and being believed he must avoid the behaviors stated at this site:
http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html

Some quotes from this site:
The invention is unproven. It has not yet splashed itself across news headlines worldwide.
"NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY DISCOVERED IN USA!" Nope. Scams always involve unproven inventions.
Unproven inventions might or might not be real. But scammers often hide behind this fuzzy status.

The inventor either keeps the device secret, or their patent lacks some critical information and
nobody can build a working copy based on the patent. (A small critical piece of info remains secret.)

His first demo was a joke. The only way to get acknowledge is to let his invention being independently
tested and verified by an impartial test group of people that will continuously report their findings.
He must not hide any details and also encourage other people to build and verify his results.
Once this happens we just "might" have free energy. If not I just won't believe what he's saying.
No scientifically verified proof = Real Scam

Sorry being so harsh.
I'm just so fed up by all the "secrecy" and "lack of proof" that always involves free energy.

By the way. Look at #8 at this link: http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html
Doesn't it fit Steorn just perfectly. They have almost followed the scam guidelines by the book.

[steve_whiss]

Ok, Suppose you sink the value of your house into building any new tech.

After any number of false starts, 2 years of hiring specialists and lab space, built kit which didn't work quite right - you end up with a few hundred bucks of the right hardware apparently doing something a member of the public would never think twice about (they have seen stuff moving before).

Then not ask for any money. So - that means you are a scam artist?


Then I'm a scam artist too for selling a house for market value, not what it cost me.

Interesting point here. The kitchen is nicely tiled; about $150 bucks of materials. But it was a fiddly job (black grout). The tiler charged me $1200 because it took a week.

So - thats a scam too? Or is it OK for me to pay him enough that HE can afford have a home and drive a car?


The mould for the exterior plastic case of a house phone selling for $80 - might have cost $30,000 to machine. And the same again to design.

The values come down and turn profit - by selling x 100,000 phones.

But the cost of the 1st finished working phone will be based on tens of man-years of work costing into millions.

** Someone has to find and spend that money to get that far **

So that is a scam?? Even not to get your money back? Is it a scam to report that you employ staff who expect to be fed and live in a home?


The FE community really need to understand that money is needed because buying kit and peoples time costs money - and the numbers are not small. The typical effort is in the "number of house values" for anything better then a toy.

Do not be deluded by the Open Source / GNU Linux people. They have the advantage that they sit at the top of a technological pyramid intensely developed and operational since the 1940's, benefiting from monies likely exceeding billions poured in over the years.

It would be different for them, too, if every OS project started "first build a computer. We have no concrete idea how these work, but reading a book about tube radios and having lots of wire might help...."


I've got to mention the false hope of making a design that works "open source". Suppose that happens. Will it get deployed?

No manufacturer will invest in a production line without some form of protection that a foreign company using cheap labour will not rip off their work and sell the same kit for 1/2 the price. So no manufacturer will take it on.

What then? So there is a plan for a machine which works but is as complex as a washing machine with a HiFi grafted on (any electricity out must meet the specs for line power correctly - that means rather complex electronics and control systems).

Who can make a washing machine? Which will run for years continuously and not shred the clothes any time?

Let's see. Making such a device would interest typically the men in the population of whom 1 in 1,000 happen to have access to a machine shop (I'm thinking my town in the UK). My town has 100,000 people in it - whopdi do, that means 50 machines.

Mass deployment, the planet saved! Not.

Steve