Is there something that I can build?

[LockieG]

Hey All,

I've been following all manor of OU theories, been watching lots of (sometimes hoax) videos on youtube, and would like to get into experimenting.

My question to the forum is:
"Is there something that I can build, using existing plans??"
I'm thinking of something simple, with magnets and rotating parts.  Something that does not rely on any external energy input (the power point, heat, light, fuel, batteries, etc)

Maybe someone could point me in the direction of my first (over)unity toy?

Thanks...

[raburgeson]

Have you looked at the rotory magnet motor? Simple, fairly cheap to build and a lot of room for innovation. If you watch the video on utube you will notice he inserts a magnet in the open space to keep it running. this can probably be over come by stacking rotory layers, using the armature as a concentric drive shaft. Enough layers to provide power overlap, without that it will not run without input power of moving a magnet and power overlap should allow production of usable power. At least this sounds good in theory.

Be sure to stagger the open areas so one layer drives when one layer is coasting. In case I was not clear, and usually I'm not. The more layers the better. The higher number of magnets that are producing power at one time. Look at it like looking at a gas engine 300 cubic inches in size. If it is a 4 cylinder there is a period of time when none of the cylinders are pushing. If it's a six cylinder two cylinders produce power at the same time for a short duration. 8, 10 cylinders and up the duration of time goes up  along with the number of cylinders pushing at the same time. This holds true until friction horse power become such a factor that you start to loose power.

Once you get it configured right so you get the most power from the toy it would be time to get large powerful magnets and do it right.

Search Google Video      "magnet motor wankel 3d", for the video

Under the assumption you want something clean and easy to work on. Note: probably works off of the left hand rule, magnetic flux on the rotor is probably perpendicular to the flux of the stator.

[LockieG]

Thanks raburgeson,

I really liked the look of the "calloway V Gate" skateboard wheel motor, and the LaFonte spiral motor looked good, but at the end of the day they all require some form of external energy input. (e.g. a hand moving a magnet, or power supply to electromagnet).

With respect to the Calloway V Gate:
This looks simple enough to build, and I'm sure a manually operated slide mechanism on the stator magnet would be the next logical step. (could even hook up a load cell to gain an idea of the amount of force required to hold it in place).. But by the looks of it, one could spend many years experimenting with the countless number of permutations and implementing theory's associated with different designs.

So that brings me to my next question:.  "Simulation".

How do people simulate their magnetic machine ideas before building them?.

Currently I'll design a machine in Autodesk Inventor, Simulate any electrical / electronic sub systems in Altium Designer, if stress / strain analysis is involved move to Ansys, FPGA simulation in ModelSIM, but what about magnetic systems?.  What software do people use to test theories before spending money on magnets?

Has anyone done any research in the areas of genetic algorithms coupled to magnetic simulation software?.  What if the genetic software were able to cover every permutation of the v-gate design, then all we'd need is a screen saver application that everyone could run on their PC, using any spare clock cycles to determine the optimal (survival of the fittest) design.... (Much like the SETI & Home project).

Maybe I'm getting off the track now?

Thanks
Lachlan.

[raburgeson]

I just gave up on the circuit I was working on and will give this a try. My goal will be just make it run without input first. you can purchase high powered expensive magnets later. You can get hobby magnets way cheaper, I saw one site that has 8 packs for $1.59. There are a couple of good Physics programs that can be bought but, they are expensive and I will be way farther ahead to order the cheap magnets. The Johnson motor was conceived and experimented on by using Aluminium foil. This might not be the best case senerio example as, this is the hardest project to replicate I can think of. Just use tape at first to hold them down, it leaves them in an easy to move condition. Moving magnets on a program might be a pain in the dairy airs. Ha! I made a joke "Tish I spoke french".