Meyer's Resonant Charging Circuit Analysed

[Dogs]

Farrah Day,

Thanks for the kind words.

I think that in the end, Hydrocars realized that we are on the same page.
- Input Max 12V 1amp.
- Get HV via Electro-Mechanical Resonance of the LC circuit.
- Use blocking diode to get step charging effect on the positive side of the cell.
- Hit the cell with a and HV DC pulse.

Best,
-Dogs

[twohawks]

Hi All,   
I am uncertain if the question I had  asked earlier is a bit parochial or irrelevant(?) so that it did not illicit consideration, or if anyone may be scratching their head on it at all, or..??  Any direction in that regard would be appreciated.

In the meantime, while doing some followup research in consideration of the conversation (re inductor values and 'the diode'), I found something I thought others may find helpful (if they had not seen it already)....
DC resonant charging topology
  (If you search the forum you will find richie's site referred to here and there - so I assume some of you have been there already.)

I hope you are all having a very enjoyable holiday time ;^)
Cheers,
TwoHawks

[oystla]

Farrah,

it was dissapointing that your simulation with the diode in showed no resonance at a wide range of frequencies....and the diode had a (small) reverse capacitance value specified?

As I see it: Patents are expensive to achieve and keep, so I don't believe Stan intentionally aimed to be inaccurate in his Patent descripitons, i.e. I believe Stan believed himself to be right in the patent descripitons. That's the whole point of patents....

That does not mean I think he was right i all aspects, since there are several things that does'nt add up, and in his video "lectures" on youtube he says a lot of BS...

But the main purpose of this CCT as Stan describes it was to gradually increase the DC voltage over the WFC to a point where the water "capacitor" can no longer hold the charge and you get an avalanche breakdown with H2/O2 generation.

So are we saying that the cct of Stan's description with the diode in can not build up high voltages with an pulsed input ?

And if so,  what would be a simple cct where a pulsed input could result in a gradual increase of voltage to high values?

[IssaOmran]

Dear All
Thank you all for all of  you wounder full input.
I know it is late to reply for this, but i think i have to .
if you all please allow me to share my thoughts on this Water Capacitor  (WC).

We all know that Capacitors are short cct for AC .
And they are open cct  for DC .

and that our WC  acts like both a capacitor and a non linear resistance.

there are two pieces of info that we all have read but i think have missed putting them together.

The First piece of info or fact  that  some one here mentioned when he called the WF a dynamic capacitor , it is , in some ways.
BUT  to be more precise . it is only a capacitor for a nano to micro second (regardless of water type) then it collapses , the Ions start conducting current from one tube/Plates to the other. converting our Electrical Field back into Voltage and Current.

and no i don't think that the Catastrophic Dielectric Failure is the true way to have the WFC to work.
because this theory ( Lindmans theory ) is .....basically wrong ......... why Current into EF then back to Current ??!?!?!


So this  Fact  that the WF lasts momentarily, to me makes it very clear that we have to use those nano to micro second of capacitor integrity to do our work before its collapses.

I hope this idea is clear .

Second piece of info Idea  , that some know or remember or have not heard of . that Andrija Puharich mentioned in his article http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1puhar.htm   and i  quot his words :"" By carrying out new calculations I was able to show that the water was being vibrated with a displacement of the order of 1 Angstrom ( = 10-10 meters). This displacement is of the order of the diameter of the hydrogen atom.""  end of quotation.

when i first read this phrase i read that the Hydrogen atom is being moved away from the Oxygen atom , since the measured distance is it the thickness of the hydrogen atom, i don't know why i read it like that, but  later re-reading it I find that Puharich is talking about the entire molecule, now Puharich is more educated than me , but I think he is wrong and the movement is only for the Hydrogen Atoms .

Why ? because if the entire molecule of water is shaking , then it is hearing up , we all know that that is heat .... according the the Generic Gas theory  correct isn't that how Micro waves heat stuff ?

and  and if we all remember Puharich  and according to his words , His cell would draw the extra energy yield from ambient atmosphere  and his words are  :...

"(When) H2 (gas) and O2 (gas) are generated by electrolysis, the electrolysis cell must absorb heat from the surroundings, in order to remain at constant temperature. It is this ability to produce gaseous electrolysis products with heat absorption from the surroundings that is ultimately responsible for energy-conversion efficiencies during electrolysis greater than unity."
end of quotation.

So can you all see the error there ? if the entire molecule is shaking then its heating , and both Stans WFC and Puharich WFC are cold and even getting colder as Puharich claims.

Now ........
I believe  that the  Movements is ONLY of the Hydrogen Atom(s) of a Water molecule .


See The Diode Establishes the Capacitor and the EF , the EF aligns the Water molecule, this enhances the WF and the EF powers,
but most importantly is that the EF pulls the H atoms away from the O atoms.

The next pulse would pull the H even further, by the time another pulse comes in to further pull the H, The H has to react to the previous or initial or pull pulse , being  pulled back back by the O Atoms (can provide more details ) .

So now we have momentum and kinetic energy building up ONLY in the  Hydrogen Atoms.

So the EF is Building Kinetic Energy  (KE)   and RESONANCE  in the Hydrogen Atoms.

As you can see , the EF thus WC have to be maintained , in order to have this Power to affect the Hydrogen Atoms.

Now the third almost not noticed fact is that we have Multi Deltas of the EF . meaning we don't have one large steep increase in the Electrical voltage charging the capacitor  creating one large powerful electrical Field  (EF) that would most probably not be able to pull the H atoms from the O , as many have proved using Van-digraph generators and powerful high voltage DC sources.

So the third element of the idea is the EFFECT of REPETITIVE SHARP increases of Electrical Field .
I am not taking about the Burst mode , i am taking about Delta EF after Delta EF after Delta EF.

Each Delta would Store more Kinetic Energy inside the ATOMS of Hydrogen, each time pulling it further from the O .
(( Please don't forget the over all increase of the EF and Voltage)

I have to look deeper into the covalent Bond. 
it is not H and O , it is H and and electron and O sharing this  electron.

the electron changes speed as it moves from orbit around the H to orbit around the O .

now imagine us changing the distance between H and O  so fast that it not only decreases the time share of the electron, but it also deeply  affects the speeds that the electron has to achieve to keep this covalent bond, and don't forget that the electron it self is also  influenced  by the EF and other Ions and Light and heat .


if we add one more element , which is that the H and H atoms would be pulled closer to each other by the covalent bond with the O, thus   the KE energy stored in them when they were pulled away from the O, will will now be stored as a repelling force of each electron to Against the other electron when they are closest to the O.

so in fact the angel between the H and H will vary .

So

the H atoms will now resonating  closer and further to and from the O .
the H atoms will now resonate closer to each other and further from each other in a hemispherical or circular path .

if we put both those resonances together we should end up with a PATH shaped like an Epsilon Bent around the O . and this Path is being amplified and being driven away from the O.

the mutilated path mutilates the Covalent bond, the electrons are suffering, speeding ,slowing , changing angels , circular paths are more sever  until we get what we all want .....

the distance of the H and the O would be so far , and the EF would get strong enough to pull the molecule apart and the electron would Free ,as the affect of the Electron on the Covalent bond no longer strong enough to maintain it.

i.e in less than a nano second both O and H Cannot attract the Electron to their orbits to maintain the bond.

that would explain why Stan needed and electron extraction circuit .

Also please remember the Dublin institute of technology report and the Scientific fact the Pure kinetic energy does create H3O and OH and H naturally in water , and that  breaking H2O is not the expensive part as puharich states.
to further verify this read and specifically the Fracturing process's of Hydrocarbons in oil to create our fuels.


going back to WFC

if consider  the temporary nature of WC , we would understand that we have to do every thing before the capacitor collapses,
which is repetitive Delta EF  affect  until we crack the H from the O , reaching the critical   EF and Voltage values that would Fracture the Water molecule as we want it abut it also would initiate Catastrophic dielectric failure,  at this critical EF and Voltage value we stop charging, losing some EF but not all, here the Insulating layer becomes a treasure.


another advantage of stopping charging is to allow for the WC to recover.


in this context we need the highest possible charging rate  i.e the resonance of CL CCT where XL=CL.

I hope this is clear in writing as it is in my head.
Please see attached JPG.

thank you all I appreciate all help and responses.