Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices

[MarkSnoswell]

I just posted this reply over here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.msg41197.html#msg41197


The Energia ("Italian") patent appears to be based on the same phenomena as I am discussing here -- I think... and so I am copy the post here so people folowing me dont have to hunting for posts.




Hmm? The Energia patent is interesting. There are some features that appear common to a number of other devices.

I can feel the frustration in this thread ? I don?t want to add to that but at the same time I think a step back may be needed. There are assumptions being made that are unfounded and some things are being overlooked.

First here are some questions that the patent raises:

1.   The effect works with or without a permanent magnet ? but the only reference to magnet type talks about an iron cobalt alloy. That is most unusual as it?s not a common alloy for modern commercial magnets. The patent is recent and yet is goes out of it?s way to mention iron cobalt and makes no mention of the most common types -- ceramic or Neodymium based magnets. Why?

2.   Why the very strange earth point? ? as described the whole drive system will float high on a pulse? and it?s a floating potential dependant on the impedance of the coils and the pulse current. They make a particular point of the earth arrangement in the patent. This sort of detail would normally not be worth of comment in a simple system like this.

3.   The pulse sequence is complicated ? in a quick reading of this thread I don?t recall seeing anyone get it right -- apologies if I am wrong. Given the data in the patent there is a sequence of pulses applied to a first coil. These pulses alternate between two values which are at least 50V apart? eg, 200, 200, 300, 300, 300, 200, 200, 200 etc.   with the number of repeats at one level being random from 1 ? 3 (preferentially). This sequence is followed at a very short time interval by the same sequence x 2.5 amplitude on a second winding. So in our example above the second winding would be pulsed with 500, 500, 700, 700, 700, 300, 300  However the effect will work without regular period and with any amplitude ratio as long as the second set is larger and higher than 50V above the first set. Why? ... could this be due to the equivelant frequency increace of electrons with voltage (energy = frequency) or due to an expanding collective wave or due to a non-linear pumping of the second wave in the wake of the first?

4.   The use of two windings allows for very short delay intervals between the pulse trains ? a delay that is less than the pulse duration. This implies that it is the pulse front that is the effective factor here. Furthermore they say that wider spacing of coils ? or more interleaved coils allows for a wider time between the first and second set of pulses. This implies a wave front that is traveling in one direction. ? They do state that a single coil can be used but they imply that the delay between the two pulse streams is too short for this to be practical. Although they also state that an effect can be seen with a single coil and a single pulse train -- but they never once state that you dont need pulses of at least 50V difference in the pulse train.

5.   They give no hint as to why random amplitudes, phase delayed pulse streams or the two level pulse stream is required. Therefore we can?t make any assumptions -- It could either be essential for the function of the effect or it could be to prevent runaway oscillations destroying their devices and equipment.

6.   They state that the device generates magnetic field that is thousands of times greater than the permanent magnet. They give no details of how they measured this. We cannot assume it is a magnetic field they are measuring ? although they clearly measure something that behaves like a magnetic field. Even a microsecond pulse of a 2000 T magnetic field will literally explode both the magnet and the surrounding coil.  ? a simple example? try hold two neodymium magnets side by side such that their north and south poles face the same way ? the repulsion is great. The magnet experiences these self repulsion forces internally which contributes to the fragility of high field magnets.  Likewise ? a pulse of 2000 T field will induce a current spike and a physical force that will explode any surrounding coil? so either they start out with milli Tesla field strengths or they may not be dealing with a magnetic field but something else/new that has some characteristics of a magnetic field.

Whatever the peculiarities of their devices testing is well within the reach of everyone. The description of their motor embodiment only uses 1MHz pulse repetition with 100ns pulse widths. This is quite slow and well within the reach of modest solid state designs.

I am still studying the motor aspects of the patent and may come back with more comments later.

Cheers

Mark.

[Grumpy]

Regarding the magnet material - I believe they are implying that the material is arbitrary and that any permanent magnet material will work.  They go on to state that an elecromagnet or universal magnetic field (such as planetary or solar field) will also work.

This appears similar to an effect that Cyril Smith (physicist associated with MPI (Gunderson patent)) speaks of here:

http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/Vacuum-energy.html

Sounds like  the pulses at one end of the magnet effect the pulses at the other end, before they leave the magnetic field, increasing their energy.

[Super God]

Hmmm...so what role would a permenant magnet or two play in Steven's TPU?  They are a key element and I can't understand what function they serve.  Magnetic flux is a new term to me, perhaps I should study those MIT videos.

[tao]

Hmmm...so what role would a permenant magnet or two play in Steven's TPU?  They are a key element and I can't understand what function they serve.  Magnetic flux is a new term to me, perhaps I should study those MIT videos.

Permanent magnets are not required to a working TPU, Steven Mark said so.

Electromagnets maybe, but EXPLICITLY, permanent magnets are not needed.

[Earl]

I just posted this reply over here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.msg41197.html#msg41197


The Energia ("Italian") patent appears to be based on the same phenomena as I am discussing here -- I think... and so I am copy the post here so people folowing me dont have to hunting for posts.

Hmm? The Energia patent is interesting. There are some features that appear common to a number of other devices.
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First here are some questions that the patent raises:

1.   The effect works with or without a permanent magnet ? but the only reference to magnet type talks about an iron cobalt alloy. That is most unusual as it?s not a common alloy for modern commercial magnets. The patent is recent and yet is goes out of it?s way to mention iron cobalt and makes no mention of the most common types -- ceramic or Neodymium based magnets. Why?

Hi Mark, hi All,
when they mention iron cobalt they really mean what is usually called somarium cobalt.

From http://www.allmagnetics.com/smco.htm

Permanent Samarium Cobalt magnets (SmCo) are composed of samarium, cobalt and iron.

Neodymium permanent magnets (Nd-Fe-B) are composed of neodymium, iron, boron and a few transition metals.

NEO and SC material are very similar, SC is more expensive and functions to higher temperature.
They are both rare earth super magnet material in contrast to ferrite.

The patent text is brillantly written to say everything without saying anything.  For example, it says wind turns arround a magnet, then it says but maybe not around the magnet, but next to it, or near to it.  There are multiple ways to interpret the text and this is exactly what the author intended.  The patent text is only a starting point, the rest is intuition and building then testing.  Don't ignore the motor stator part, which also has coils around magnets.

Regards, Earl
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