Tubes?

[z_p_e]

Robert,

All the clues are there in SM's material. The simplest and most obvious one is SM's description of connecting a battery to a piece of wire and the resulting instantaneous electron flow. One gets the impression from SM's mention of this experiment several times, that it is in fact the underlying overunity principle involved in the TPU's operation.

Folks are talking of building 8 Hz Colpits oscillators etc. from tubes, and this is simply ridiculous. The focus seems to be on generating a nice clean tube sine wave oscillator, and I ask the question why? Why are sines thought to be the key to the TPU?

I should re-state something however, and that is; I believe there to be a combination of sines and pulses used in the TPU, but as a minimum, there are pulses. Folks seem to believe that pulse inputs aren't involved at all, and that's what puzzles me.

Steven gave high marks to Carl's material, and Carl made absolutely no mention of using sine waves at all. In fact he spoke of pulsing a number of coils placed in a circle. Read Carl's stuff again, and read what SM said about it.

I've read through Bushwackers and Freedomfuels posts long ago, and I found nothing specific or particularly useful to help decipher the TPU or SM's material.

Then there is Bob Boyce's device, and Tesla's work with RE, and on and on. They all use pulses to elicit an overunity response.

Deciding what SM used for inputs is a fundamental first step in TPU research. I'm not certain why this was never discussed in any depth, but I have tried in the distant past to get some dialog going on the subject, but to no avail. Folks get "stuck" on "perfect", "pure" and "exact" frequency and automatically assume this must mean clean sine waves. In light of all the clues in SM's material, I'm saying that this assumption seems wrong imo.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

[dutchy1966]

Hi Darren,

I understand your point about the pulses but there are also a lot of things in favor of sines. (Like the endless references to harmonics and cords (chords) which to me clearly point to sines. Therefor your assumption of both pulses and sines might have some validity. Do you think the tpu is controlled by pulses and somewhere in the process creates sinewaves?
I know it gets a bit off topic in this thread, so if you want to reply just put it in the general discussion thread....

Robert

[sparks]

  ZPE I agree but I'm heading in a whole different direction.  They may have been necessary for SM's machine (a real round about way to do what needs to be done imho). Below is how  I support the italicized  statement.

    Just got through building a free energy device that uses hf kicks.  It worked and then burnt out the oscillator. (took a couple of hours though)  I had system gain getting 20watts of light from a kicker coil powered by 4 watts of 27mhz hf.  This was totally experimental and there was no feedback circuits to the 4watt oscillator circuit (citizens band radio).  There was no mystery as to why the oscillator fried, there was a whole bunch of standing and reflected waves experienced by all that have transmitted on a poorly matched antennae to base circuit. The only tube in the experiment was the neon flurescent bulb the kicker was wrapped around.  SM must have spent a bunch of time matching kickers to frequency and then timing there initiation.   I don't care if he used the Good Lord's direct involvement,  this is a formidable task.   SM's tpu is an experimental device most likely sitting on someone's bookcase an oddity of the 20th century.   It did serve it's purpose by drawing together alot of good minds
here on this forum. 

     I am starting to believe that SM's TPU is way too complicated.  Pulsing one coil with RF is hard enough to do without cooking the pulse propogation circuits never mind 3 of them and have them at harmonic frequencies so that there appears on the collector a somewhat sinsoidal wave.  The collector currents get in the  fray and oh boy.  Electric motor variable frequency drive circuits do something like this but create the fake sinsoid by varying the intensity of the spikes and you should see that mess compared to a pure sinsuoid. 

   Here's what I think will work and yes it uses tubes; copper ones.  All that is needed is an antennae supported inside a copper tube. Slide this assembly inside a second copper tube of larger diameter. Connect the high frequency scource to the antennae and the coax to the 1st copper tube.  The field will be propogated and travel straight into tube 1.  Outside of tube one is placed the collector or tube 2. The kick should penetrate the 1st tube and free up energy stored in the 1st tubes atoms.  The radiated field will experience gain and radiate into the second tube.  Meanwhile the 1st tubes neucleus will have more magnetic influence on less quonta. This influence will be absorbed by shift in the sub-level electron orbits. This takes time. If a path for the propogated and enhanced field is constructed to return the quonta now in the outer tube through an external circuit (which can be used to do work) the quonta will return to the 1st tube.  If this doesn't happen the energy will leave the system and end up elsewhere like on someone else's receiver.  The next kick coming through won't be able to kick anything because the electrons left in orbit on the emitter tube  are more tightly bound to the atoms. (ionized, positively charged, increased magnetic dipole moment, tighter, whatever you want to call it.)  The system trying to establish equilibrium will radiate a reverse field and the energy will be lost with a bunch of oscillating and reflecting fields and conversion into thermal energy.  (You just made yourself an induction oven).

  This configuration of components as mentioned above is going to ouput very strong hf energy in the bandwith radiated by the oscillator. These issues need to be addressed from the get go. (beyond moving the oscillator into the center of a ring)  They will interfere with communications equiment as well as cook you.  This unit needs to be caged unless you want a huge fine from the FCC. All of the waves are not going to stop at the second tube and this leakage needs to be captured and routed to tube 1.  Tube 3?   Forget about your computer working near these things.
  I am going to build one and cage it if the expected gain in field strength is proven.    I welcome all criticism from those more experienced in hf field propogation and gain. I believe the best way to extract energy from this field gain and circulation is by inductive coupling and demodulation of the captured hf energy.  I get into theory below for those it may interest.

  Get free energy from the surrounding field it's there.  Just add enough energy to the atomic aether between the electron and the neucleus and upset the neuclei  magnetic dipole influence on the electron: the electrons will take off.  Electrons
are not just little ballons  floating around the neucleus.  They're spinning like crazy and moving through the aether at the speed of light. They are loaded with kinetic energy.  This kinetic energy needs only to be channeled not converted to be used by man.  We can smash the atomic neucleus with an electron.  On a macro scale-up that is like taking the earth and adding enough velocity to it to blow a hole through the sun.  Yet we can't get an electron  to orbit through a light bulb unless we burn plant material or take apart atomic neuclei?  Plants have been routing electro-magnetic quanta for millions of years, it's time for the firebuilder to stop looking to the plant for his every need and at least mimic plant's intelligence.
      A radiant electric field  entering a conductor will allow the release of the atoms of the conductor's most loosely bound electrons.  They will be kicked off the atom.  The energy needed to kick them off their atom is less then what they
have in kinetic energy potential. Just need to channel them through a lightbulb or a motor and away we go.  On a macro scale say planet x is moving in an orbital way out there past pluto.  It's big it's spinning and it's orbiting the sun moving through space at millions of miles an hour.  The suns gravity just enough to hold it in orbit.  Along comes something it's own size from outer space call it
planet y (or better yet a whole buch of planet y's.)  It has alot of inertia way more than it needs to stay clear of the sun.   What it does as it travels through or near the solar system is;  it disrupts the gravitational field effect of the sun on planetx.  Planet x siezes the moment and tangentially takes off out of the solar system.  Planet y also skips out at a slightly different vector than it came in on.  Both planets smash into a huge light bulb filament  and  the sun casts a shadow for the first time in a long time.  Just a small amount of energy is lost by planet y as it changes vector because of the suns gravitational field yet the power as the two planets crash into the filament is very nearly doubled. 

[Super God]

I wish I had the mechanical and electrical prowess to start building one of these things again, the right way (tubes).  But I'm afraid when talk goes to walk, I just can't do it!  Plus I don't wanna blow myself up heh.  Is anyone else using tubes here?  Mannix and IST are, aren't you?

[innovation_station]

nope bought them i have all 6 sitting here right now never even powered 1 of em

or my transformer

for them


nobody wanted to help marco did but that was all so i left them there

and moved along

right to the source 

ist