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The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

Started by ltseung888, July 20, 2007, 02:43:44 AM

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shruggedatlas

Quote from: ltseung888 on March 19, 2008, 07:52:14 PM
When the pendulum is let go and no more Lee-Tseung Pull is supplied, the pendulum reveres to a non-overunity device. If you supply Lee-Tseung Pull again, it then becomes an overunity device.  Thus the Lee-Tseung pulled/pulsed pendulum changes from overunity to non-overunity in its operation.

I think you overlooked something, Mr. Tseung.  A pendulum, even when let go and no longer pushed, is still generatic kinetic energy on each downswing.  So forget what happens on the downswing.  Let's focus on the upswing component, where the "lead out" process happens after all.  As the bob finishes the downswing and begins the upswing, it has a certain amount of kinetic energy.  This kinetic energy is no different than a "pull," and it results in the bob moving out horizontally and vertically in a circular fashion.  So why does a bob eventually lose energy?  Shouldn't there be a 50% energy gain in each swing?

Pirate88179

@ shruggedatlas:

For an attorney with no formal physics training I have to say that your comments and questions are right on the mark.  great job.


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chrisC

Quote from: shruggedatlas on March 19, 2008, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 19, 2008, 07:52:14 PM
In Physics, we have to be exact.  ?So what if you have done twice as much horizontal work than vertical work?? is a layman statement.

Well, first of all, "lead out" is not a physics term.  You just made that up.  You still have to prove your hypothesis, and it is not proper in any scientific field to use your own hypothesis in support of it.

Second, you have not shown that two units of energy leads out three.  All you have shown is that some amount of energy is put in, and the output is two parts horizontal to one part vertical. Maybe what would be helpful is to use actual numbers, instead of units.  So, if you want to convince us "laymen", please show an analysis that has the following:

1.  Mass of bob, in kilograms.
2.  Length of string, in meters or centimeters
3.  Horizontal force applied, in Newtons
4.  Distance the bob moves vertically and horizontally, in meters or centimeters

I think with the above, even we, the untrained, can figure out how much work is done and indeed whether two parts input results in three parts output.

@Shruggedatlas

How dare you question the expert? Surely 6M grade school children of elementary education can't be wrong!
Not to mention the millions and millions of fellow farmer type scientist across the Hong Kong border.

Next time please have your head examined or see a doctor before you question the master! You cannot be serious!

cheers
chrisC

ltseung888

Quote from: shruggedatlas on March 19, 2008, 08:23:23 PM

Well, first of all, "lead out" is not a physics term.  You just made that up.  You still have to prove your hypothesis, and it is not proper in any scientific field to use your own hypothesis in support of it.

Lead Out was translated from the Chinese term 引出.  Lee Cheung Kin was the first person to use this term.  We struggled over many terms - including "extract", "use existing", "Lee-Tseung out" etc. 

In Physics, when there is a new discovery, the tradition is for the Inventor to introduce a new term with a new definition.  Lee Cheung Kin just followed that tradition.

The Lee Cheung Kin definition of Lead Out - Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy can be Lead Out via Pulses or Lee-Tseung Pulls in oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux change systems.  Gravitational and Electron Motion Energy already exist and surround us.  The Lee-Tseung Pulls refer to the specific actions when energy is added to the system at the correct time.

As far as I know, there is no existing scientific term that define the above yet.  I am sure the academic professors will have meetings to "coin" a word in the near future. 

For the moment, please accept the term Lead Out so that we can continue our discussion.
Compressible Fluids are Mechanical Energy Carriers. Air is not a fuel but is an energy carrier. (See reply 1097)
Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy can be Lead Out via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux change systems.  We need to apply pulse force (Lee-Tseung Pulls) at the right time. (See reply 1106 and 2621)
1150 describes the Flying Saucer.  This will provide incredible prosperity.  Beware of the potential destructive powers.

ltseung888

Quote from: shruggedatlas on March 19, 2008, 08:23:23 PM

Second, you have not shown that two units of energy leads out three.  All you have shown is that some amount of energy is put in, and the output is two parts horizontal to one part vertical. Maybe what would be helpful is to use actual numbers, instead of units. 

You have already stated that the output is two parts horizontal + one part vertical.  The two parts horizontal is the input.  Thus two units IN and three units OUT.  I thought that is as clear as it can be. 

The horizontal pull is the force we give to the system.  Its energy is the INPUT energy.
Compressible Fluids are Mechanical Energy Carriers. Air is not a fuel but is an energy carrier. (See reply 1097)
Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy can be Lead Out via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux change systems.  We need to apply pulse force (Lee-Tseung Pulls) at the right time. (See reply 1106 and 2621)
1150 describes the Flying Saucer.  This will provide incredible prosperity.  Beware of the potential destructive powers.