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The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

Started by ltseung888, July 20, 2007, 02:43:44 AM

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chrisC

Quote from: ltseung888 on August 24, 2007, 03:57:13 AM
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Tseung:... He also mentioned that your name and mine are being nominated to receive the Nobel Prize and other similar ones."

Lee: "With that, I can take any insult."


As far as I am aware of, Nobel prizes have never been awarded to delusionist!

It's not the 'insults' you need to worry about. You need to see a psychiatrist.

It's pretty obvious you can't tell reality from make-believe!

cheers
chrisC

tinu

Two huge useless movies.
Such a waste of bandwidth!

One movie is presumably showing an electric car with the batteries in the trunk. If that huge block of so-called ?electronics? does not contain batteries then it surely contains another kind of chemical-electrical converter of some sort. Two huge fans are needed to cool it. And the motor in front is a regular 3-phase one. Electronics are in the box near-by, in the front (not in the back). Probably a dc-ac three phase converter.

The other movie is showing an electric motor turning a machine. Probably an ordinary electric generator under various tests.


What?s the excitement there about, anyway?
Well, in the first movie it may be because of the ?electric nature? of the car. Remember that electric cars are relatively new.
In the second movie, there is not much of an excitement at all.

The question is what the excitement here is about?!

?Lack of solid arguments leads out more useless movies.?

Have a nice day everyone,
Tinu

Forever

Dear tinu,shruggedatlas,and others

Thanks for your comments. However, I do not agree with what you are saying.
Firstly, you said that they were two useless movies. The inventors poured in sweat and blood to invent. You have not played with actual inventions. If you were one of the patent evaluators or one of the participating professors at Tsinghua University or Beijing University, you would have a different prospective.

I understand why you think it is just an empty talk. When an invention is not a product yet, there will be speculations. Some of these inventions may even be regarded as fairytales.

Let us take the example of going to the moon. In China, there was a fairytale about a beautiful lady(常娥). She ate the forever-living pill of her emperor husband. She had double dosage and became light and rose to the moon. This is also the origination of Mid- Autumn Festival which will come up a few weeks. ;D In Greek Mythology, Icaria flew too close to the Sun and his wax wings melted. It was usually assumed that flying to the moon was impossible.

Even in the 20th century after the inventions of the airplanes, some scientists regarded going to the moon as not possible. They applied the Newtonian Physics on a single stage rocket. Now we know that it is possible with multi- stage rockets.

We can compare the Cosmic Energy Machines with going to the moon. I believe in the Cosmic Energy Machines because:

1. I have already done an experiment related to extracting Cosmic Energy. In this experiment, I proved that magnetic energy could be extracted in the same way as gravitational energy. It is a very simple experiment, but it confirms a very important theory. This is the replacement of the simple pendulum with the magnetic pendulum.

2. The Lee- Tseung Theory uses the? boat in clam water and a good sunshine? scenario. It clearly shows that Cosmic Energy does not violate the law of conservation of energy.   

3. There is so much evidence to support the theory. Just like you, I didn?t believe the Cosmic Energy Machines initially. However, the more I understand the theory, the more convinced I become.

4.I am in the better position than you because I can read and write Chinese. I have searched the China patent database. I have the 180 pages document from Dr. Liang Xingren. I have the unedited videos. I have a copy of the 2006 China Venture Capital Forum document in front of me. In this Official document, the Cosmic Energy Machine was ranked as number one. I also have the pictures of Lee- Tseung at Tsinghua University.

5.If the top professor at Tsinghua University accepted the theory and made Lee- Tseung ?Wang guest lecturers, I took the theory seriously. I did the mathematics multiple times. I explained the theory and the maths to my many friends. I have sent many emails to academic and economic institutions. 

6. I am sure the products will be out shortly. I shall have the privilege of seeing the early prototypes as a helper of Tseung. When the products come out and generate electricity in front of the world, more people will be convinced. When you buy one in your house, and never pay electricity bills again, you will be convinced too.

;D :D ;) :)

jeffc

Quote from: Forever on August 29, 2007, 01:46:14 AM
Dear tinu,shruggedatlas,and others

Thanks for your comments. However, I do not agree for what you are saying.
Firstly, you said that they were two useless movies. The inventors poured in sweat and blood to invent. You have not played with actual inventions. If you were one of the patent evaluators or one of the participating professors at Tsinghua University or Beijing University, you would have a different prospective.

I understand why you think it is just an empty talk. When an invention is not a product yet, there will be speculations. Some of these inventions may even be regarded as fairytales.

Let us take the example of going to the moon. In China, there was a fairytale about a beautiful lady(常娥). She ate the forever-living pill of her emperor husband. She had double dosage and became light and rose to the moon. This is also the origination of Mid- Autumn Festival which will come up a few weeks. ;D In Greek Mythology, Icaria flew too close to the Sun and his wax wings melted. It was usually assumed that flying to the moon was impossible.

Even in the 20th century after the inventions of the airplanes, some scientists regarded going to the moon as not possible. They applied the Newtonian Physics on a single stage rocket. Now we know that it is possible with multi- stage rockets.

We can compare the Cosmic Energy Machines with going to the moon. I believe in the Cosmic Energy Machines because:

1. I have already done an experiment related to extracting Cosmic Energy. In this experiment, I proved that magnetic energy could be extracted in the same way as gravitational energy. It is a very simple experiment, but it confirms a very important theory. This is the replacement of the simple pendulum with the magnetic pendulum.

2. The Lee- Tseung Theory uses the? boat in clam water and a good sunshine? scenario. It clearly shows that Cosmic Energy does not violate the law of conservation of energy.   

3. There is so much evidence to support the theory. Just like you, I didn?t believe the Cosmic Energy Machines initially. However, the more I understand the theory, the more convinced I become.

4.I am in the better position than you because I can read and write Chinese. I have searched the China patent database. I have the 180 pages document from Dr. Liang Xingren. I have the unedited videos. I have a copy of the 2006 China Venture Capital Forum document in front of me. In this Official document, the Cosmic Energy Machine was ranked as number one. I also have the pictures of Lee- Tseung at Tsinghua University.

5.If the top professor at Tsinghua University accepted the theory and made Lee- Tseung ?Wang guest lecturers, I took the theory seriously. I did the mathematics multiple times. I explained the theory and the maths to my many friends. I have sent many emails to academic and economic institutions. 

6. I am sure the products will be out shortly. I have the privilege of seeing the early prototypes as a helper of Tseung. When the products come out and generate electricity in front of the world, more people will be convinced. When you buy one in your house, and never pay electricity bills again, you will be convinced too.

;D :D ;) :)

Thank you Forever, for you continued help in providing information.  From the videos, it is not easy to determine what is actually being presented, so it will be hard for people on this forum to accept without more detail concerning each component shown as part of the motors. 

If you are correct about products being released soon, then there will be proof soon enough. 

Regards,
jeffc

shruggedatlas

Quote from: Forever on August 29, 2007, 01:46:14 AM
Firstly, you said that they were two useless movies. The inventors poured in sweat and blood to invent. You have not played with actual inventions. If you were one of the patent evaluators or one of the participating professors at Tsinghua University or Beijing University, you would have a different prospective.

Sorry, but the videos are useless.  Neither one shows any evidence of a closed loop.  This is the whole problem with these inventions.  They claim on paper they are overunity, but when you actually try to use the energy output as the input, some "engineering problem" occurs.  Gee, is the engineering problem related the fact that there simply is not enough output to be used as input?

Quote
Let us take the example of going to the moon. In China, there was a fairytale about a beautiful lady(常娥). She ate the forever-living pill of her emperor husband. She had double dosage and became light and rose to the moon. This is also the origination of Mid- Autumn Festival which will come up a few weeks. ;D In Greek Mythology, Icaria flew too close to the Sun and his wax wings melted. It was usually assumed that flying to the moon was impossible.

I cringe at the use of an Internet acronym, but it is so appropriate here.  WTF?  You are talking about fairy tales.  Not all fairy tales come true.  Going to the moon is possible, yes.  But what about Alladin and the magic lamp?  Do you think if we all work and research enough, we can make a magic lamp that contains a genie that will grant us wishes?

QuoteI believe in the Cosmic Energy Machines because:

1. I have already done an experiment related to extracting Cosmic Energy. In this experiment, I proved that magnetic energy could be extracted in the same way as gravitational energy. It is a very simple experiment, but it confirms a very important theory. This is the replacement of the simple pendulum with the magnetic pendulum.

To date, no one has extracted gravitational energy to produce a power generator.  Yes, you can drop something, and it will fall, and thereby convert its potential energy to kinetic.  But it is a one time deal, and invariably, it takes more energy to lift the object back than what was generated, so no go on the overunity.  If magentism is no better than gravity, this is not of itself promising.

Quote2. The Lee- Tseung Theory uses the? boat in clam water and a good sunshine? scenario. It clearly shows that Cosmic Energy does not violate the law of conservation of energy.   

The boat in calm water and good sunshine is an analogy, that is all.  Yes, if you had a solar generator, you could use it to power the boat.  However, you have not shown how gravitational energy can be captured in the same manner as solar energy, and until that happens, the boat scenario is an analogy that does not apply.  I can make up any number of analogies to contradict your analogy, and until one of use proves that a particular analogy actually applies, none of them are relevant.

Quote4.I am in the better position than you because I can read and write Chinese. I have searched the China patent database. I have the 180 pages document from Dr. Liang Xingren. I have the unedited videos. I have a copy of the 2006 China Venture Capital Forum document in front of me. In this Official document, the Cosmic Energy Machine was ranked as number one. I also have the pictures of Lee- Tseung at Tsinghua University.

True, you have us at a disadvantage there, with your knowledge of Chinese.  However, I read your translations.  These describe the invention in such vague terms, there is no way to test the theory.  The patent refers to ICs which may or may not exist.  Even if they do exist, there is no evidence that they create overunity.  To the extent the ICs can be used toggle magnetic fields, they will probably consume more energy than they create through the rotation of whatever doohicky they act on.  I admit I may be wrong about this last bit, but I think we all agree that the burden is on the inventor to show overunity.

Quote6. I am sure the products will be out shortly. I shall have the privilege of seeing the early prototypes as a helper of Tseung. When the products come out and generate electricity in front of the world, more people will be convinced. When you buy one in your house, and never pay electricity bills again, you will be convinced too.

I agree with you that proof is in the pudding, and I will be the first to eat crow if this happens.  However, your fervent belief, without something as basic as a video of a working prototype, is not convincing.