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Bob Boyce TPU thread

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eldarion

#160
October 05, 2007, 07:50:36 PM
All, and Bob especially,

I apologize, but further testing has revealed that my pulse generator was unstable during all my tests on this coil (which explains my null results, I hope)!!  There is a ton of jitter at most frequencies that was very hard to see on my lousy analog 'scope.  (I am saving up for a good 4-channel digital model, but do not yet have enough stashed away--those things are EXPENSIVE!) :(

This has happened to me on several occasions, and is due to the extremely high clock speed (300MHz) of the generator core itself.  Basically, the gates are quite sensitive to crosstalk at that frequency, so I will need to reduce the clock frequency, and thereby, the phase resolution.  At 300MHz, the phase resolution would have been 3.3ns, but I will probably have to reduce that resolution to about 5ns (a clock speed of 200MHz).  This only matters for high frequencies, however, and is really overkill at the lower, 200KHz max. frequencies in use here.

I will see what happens when I correct the timing, and if the coil might just fire up at that point. ::)

A couple of questions still apply, I think:
1. If I hook up a standard carbon-film resistor to the output, and place the scope probes across that, will I be able to see any voltage caused by that resistor as it converts LMD current into heat (and some TEM voltage, perhaps)?

2. Is there enough of a TEM component to the secondary output that I can get this thing to self-run (i.e. is the pure TEM C.O.P. greater than about 2)?  I know I am ignoring a hefty LMD component here, but we can worry about intercepting and converting / utilizing that later on after the system is self-running.

Thank you!

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

Bruce_TPU

#161
October 05, 2007, 11:42:38 PM
@ Eldarion

Hello my friend.  I am glad that you found a part of the problem.  I think you should speak with Bob, to answer your questions that you have.

I would suggest several things, not just for you but all of the builders:
1.  The obviouse as you have stated, making the pulse generator more stable.

2.  Spending great care in re verifying the transverse resonant frequency.

3.  Placing the COP (Acronym for "coil of power", my name for the coil. ;) ) inside of a Faraday Cage, with a pickup coil outside.  Then multiplying the transverse resonant frequency by 1.5.  Then using the pickup coil to verify, as you tune to the exact longitudinal resonant frequency.  Dr. Mark spent some 8 hours, just tuning to his coils frequency, so this can be a lengthy and time consuming task, but a must.

4.  Your question about which resonant frequency we are looking for is a good one.  I believe it will be that of the primaries, but Bob, please correct me if I am wrong.

5.  Keep your primaries open ended as Bob says.  Verify the CCW timing of your frequencies.  You mentioned before with your timing that you did not know which frequency is which.  You might want to start and verify 100% that the frequencies are in the right order and correctly firing. 

6.  Your learning process is a good one for the 20 builders reading and learning with you!  So be encouraged, you are doing a great job.  I never thought it would be "plug and play", that would have been too easy!  LOL  Though I hoped.  ;)

7.  Forgetting about the pulsed mode, since you have no cell stack to hook too.  Concentrating solely on the rotational mode.   ;D

Happy and safe experimenting,
Bruce

1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Grumpy

#162
October 06, 2007, 10:34:45 AM
Try separating the ground of the secondary from the others so that it's output is by pure induction, and no I do not mean "electromagnetic induction".

It may help for all to view these devices as something that pushes the ambiant potential, which pushes back - hard - similar to what Bob has said.

More  on this later.
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Earl

#163
October 06, 2007, 02:09:01 PM
Hi All,

would be interested in comments and feedback to my idea of exciting balanced transmission lines in quadrature

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2996.msg53229.html#msg53229

Thanks, Earl
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eldarion

#164
October 06, 2007, 07:36:46 PM
All,

My pulse generator is now fixed and experimentation has resumed.  No luck yet; will go ahead and verify primary resonant frequencies (please correct me if I am wrong here and need to resonate the secondary).  I will always keep the following conditions, once again please correct any incorrect ones:
1. Open-ended primaries, drive signal connected to PxA, where x is the coil number
2. Rotational mode only
3. Pulse width 500ns
4. Resonating the primaries
5. 1x-2x-4x frequency drive

I have the following problems (any help / ideas here would be most welcome! ;))
1. Changing the bias voltage still changes absolutely nothing with regards to the output or input waveforms.
2. Engaging the magnetic bias, once again, changes absolutely nothing with regards to the output or input waveforms.
3. In open-ended mode, there is almost no voltage at the output load resistor.

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
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